Things Bakers Know: The King Arthur Baking Podcast

This week, we’re waking up early and starting the day the right way: with a big batch of pancakes.  

Jessica and David kick off the show by sharing a bit about the history of pancakes — which goes back much longer than you may realize. Then, things take a wild turn when David reveals a truly shocking revelation about his pancake consumption habits. Next, David sits down with cookbook author Carla Lalli to hear her opinions on pancakes, as well as the role they play in helping us get back in touch with eating like kids. David and Jessica then jump into answering your questions about making pancakes, including tips on getting a fluffier short stack, before closing the show with a Jess-opinion and the recipes they’re making this week.  

Recipes and other links from this episode: 

• Find all of our pancake mixes, including David’s preferred gluten-free mix  
• Learn more about Carla’s new book Food is a Feeling  
• And read her Substack, Food Processing  
• Read our blog: How to make fluffy pancakes  
• What David’s baking this week: Ultimate Flaky Biscuits  
• What Jessica’s baking this week: Popovers  
• Record your question for our Ask the Bakers segment here! 
• Follow along with us on Substack  
• For 25% off any On-Demand baking class, use coupon code POD25 at shop.kingarthurbaking.com/on-demand-classes 
• This episode is sponsored by Cabot Creamery. Cabot is a farmer-owned cooperative dedicated to making delicious, high-quality cheese and dairy products, and 100% of profits go back to the farm families that own Cabot. Visit Cabot’s website for recipes, pairing suggestions, and a curated selection of gift boxes for every occasion.   
• This episode is sponsored by Snooze. Snooze is the OG Breakfast Bar, serving creative breakfast, brunch, and lunch with a mission to make mornings matter. With 65 restaurants across 10 states, Snooze brings a little more creativity and energy to mornings across the country. Find your nearest Snooze at snoozeeatery.com. 

It’s fall, which means it’s time to talk about baking with apples!  

David and Jessica kick off the show by talking about apple pie versus apple cake, then dig into the best apples for baking. Unsurprisingly, they have a lot of opinions! Then David sits down with one of the best all-around bakers in the country and the undisputed pie queen, Erin Jeanne McDowell, to get her top tips for apple baking. Jessica and David answer your biggest apple baking questions before Jessica shares a Jess-opinion about caramel apples, and they close the show with the best fall-forward recipes they’re baking this week.  

Recipes and other links from this episode:  

• Read our blog, The best pie apples: Here's how to choose 
• Learn more about Erin McDowell and her brand-new cookbook, Bake Anything, at erinjeannemcdowell.com 
• Want to learn directly from Erin? Take her On-Demand pie baking class  
• Get fall’s best baking ingredient: Vermont Boiled Cider  
• Read our blog on how to prevent the gap in pie crust  
• Get our recipe for Apple Pie with Make-Ahead Filling 
• What David’s baking this week: Pumpkin Snickerdoodle Cookies  
• What Jessica’s baking this week: Apple Crumb Cake 
• Record your question for our Ask the Bakers segment here! 
• Follow along with us on Substack  
• For 25% off any On-Demand baking class, use coupon code POD25 at shop.kingarthurbaking.com/on-demand-classes 
• Cabot is a farmer-owned cooperative dedicated to making delicious, high-quality cheese and dairy products, and 100% of profits go back to the farm families that own Cabot. Visit Cabot’s website for recipes, pairing suggestions, and a curated selection of gift boxes for every occasion.  
• This episode is sponsored by Supernatural. Supernatural makes imaginative baking ingredients that are colored by plants, fully traceable, and totally free from anything artificial or synthetic. Learn more at supernaturalkitchen.com 

We’re back with a brand-new season, and we’re celebrating with — what else? — cake!  

Specifically, the best chocolate cake in the world, as made by this episode’s guest, James Beard award-winning cookbook author Helen Goh. Helen joins the show to talk about the recipe the New York Times named the “World’s Best Chocolate Cake” (spoiler alert: her family hates it) and the power of baking to help us find more meaning in our lives and community. 

Jessica and David then dig into your cake questions, from the best way to freeze slices of cake to determining when cakes are actually done baking. As usual, Jessica brings the heat with a controversial Jess-opinion about chocolate and fruit, and the pair close out the show with the recipes they’re baking this week.  

Recipes and other links from this episode:  

• Read Tamar Adler’s piece, What Does It Actually Take to Make the Best Chocolate Cake in the World?, featuring Jessica  
• Bake Helen’s World’s Best Chocolate Cake  
• Learn more about Helen and her cookbook, Baking and the Meaning of Life, at instagram.com/helen_goh_bakes 
• Find out more about Cake4Kids and how to get involved  
• Learn more: How to tell when cake is done  
• What David’s baking this week: High-Hydration Whole Wheat Sourdough Bread 
• What Jessica’s baking this week: French Onion Rolls 
• Record your question for our Ask the Bakers segment here! 
• Follow along with us on Substack  
• For 25% off any On-Demand baking class, use coupon code POD25 at shop.kingarthurbaking.com/on-demand-classes 
• This episode is sponsored by Supernatural. Supernatural makes imaginative baking ingredients that are colored by plants, fully traceable, and totally free from anything artificial or synthetic. Learn more at supernaturalkitchen.com 

Things Bakers Know, the official podcast from King Arthur Baking Company, is back with a ten episode fourth season — starting October 5th! Join King Arthur’s Jessica Battilana and David Tamarkin as they explore every corner of the baking world. Each episode dives deep into a different baked good — its history and lore, tips and tricks, trends and takes — and they'll always leave time to answer baking questions from listeners. Along the way they chat with the best bakers in America to get their expert advice. Plus, we are on video! Things Bakers Know is available wherever you get your podcasts, and on Youtube, or by going to KingArthurBaking.com/podcast!

A new Chad Robertson venture is always a big deal, and we have all the details.  

In May, Jessica talked to the Tartine co-founder for our episode all about his bread and the enormous influence it has had on baking around the world. During that conversation, Chad talked at length about his forthcoming bakery and cafe in Brooklyn, Altbau. But those details weren’t quite ready for prime time when the episode came out. So we held that part of the conversation back — until now. Listen as Chad gives us all the delicious details about Altbau, including the story behind it, and a preview of what to expect.  

This is a bonus episode of Things Bakers Know. We’re still on a between-season break, and will be back with more episodes in the fall. Until then, follow the recipe! 

Recipes and other links from this episode:  

Listen to our full episode about Tartine, featuring Chad Robertson 

Follow Chad Robertson and his work on Instagram  

Inspired to bake? Order a sourdough starter or make your own  

This episode is sponsored by Brød & Taylor. Your best bread is within reach. Brød & Taylor builds tools that help you get there. See what's possible at brodandtaylor.com. 

It’s bagel week on the show, and this time, David is bringing all the opinions.  

Together, he and Jessica discuss bagels in New York and beyond, including the burgeoning world of California-style bagels and the different styles that abound. Then, Southern California bagel maker Carlos Perez joins the show to share his perspective on West Coast bagels. Next, Jessica and David dive into your bagel-baking questions, including queries on shaping and boiling, before closing the show with a Jess-opinion about the right (and wrong) way to apply cream cheese and the recipes they’re baking this week.  

This episode marks the end of season three, and we’ll be back in the fall with more freshly baked episodes for season four! Until then, follow the recipe. 

Recipes and other links from this episode:  

Learn to make bagels in our On-Demand class, hosted by instructor Jonathan Frishtick  

Learn more about Carlos and Boil & Bake at boilbake.com 

Find our Gozney outdoor pizza ovens in our online Shop  

Pick up a bag of high-gluten flour  

Learn more about how to shape bagels  

What David’s baking this week: Small-Batch Chocolate Cupcakes  

What Jessica’s baking this week: Swirled Rhubarb Bars  

Record your question for our Ask the Bakers segment here! 

This episode is sponsored by Brød & Taylor. Your best bread is within reach. Brød & Taylor builds tools that help you get there. See what's possible at brodandtaylor.com. 

Today, we’re dedicating a whole episode to a single loaf of bread. But not just any bread: the loaf from San Francisco’s Tartine bakery, which kicked off a sourdough revolution in the States.  

David and Jessica start the show by unpacking just what made Tartine and its bread so influential; together, they dig into the ways this loaf's impact continues to resonate today, plus their own personal relationships to it. Then, Jessica is joined by Tartine’s Chad Roberston, who shares his baking journey, the myriad inspirations that shaped his bread baking, and his thoughts on sourdough today. Finally, they answer some of your biggest sourdough questions before closing the show with this week’s Jess-opinion and the recipes they’re baking.  

Recipes and other links from this episode: 

Pick up a copy of Tartine Bread and Tartine No. 3 (which Jessica cowrote!)  

Follow Chad Robertson and his work on Instagram  

Inspired to bake? Order a sourdough starter or make your own  

Read Carla Lalli’s newsletter, Food Processing  

Bake our Pain de Campagne recipe  

Learn more about autolyse  

What David’s baking this week: Chocolate Sourdough Babka 

What Jessica’s baking this week: Creamy Coconut Sheet Cake  

Record your question for our Ask the Bakers segment here! 

This episode is sponsored by Brød & Taylor. Your best bread is within reach. Brød & Taylor builds tools that help you get there. See what's possible at brodandtaylor.com. 

Heat up your fry oil — today, we’re talking doughnuts! 

 After sharing a slightly traumatic, mostly doughnut-filled childhood story with David, Jessica talks to Fany Gerson of Fan Fan Doughnuts in New York. They discuss Fany’s relationship to doughnuts, her biggest sources of inspiration, and the enduring power of this timeless treat. Then, Jessica and David jump into your listener questions, including tips to fry without fear. Finally, they close the show with a freshly fried Jess-opinion and the recipes they’re baking this week.  

 Learn more about the history of the doughnut from Smithsonian Magazine 

 Bake our recipes for Yeast-Raised Doughnuts and Old-Fashioned Cake Doughnuts  

 Find our Pączki recipe 

 Learn more about Fany Gerson and her work at FanyGerson.com  

 Bake Fany’s recipes for Bigotes de Azúcar (Sugared Mustaches) and Puerquitos (Piggies) 

 Learn how to fry without fear 

 For a shortcut, get our recipe for Cinnamon-Sugar Doughnut Muffins 

 What David’s baking this week: Jelly Doughnut Cake  

 What Jessica’s baking this week: Cream Cheese Chocolate Chip Cookies 

 Record your question for our Ask the Bakers segment here! 

This episode is sponsored by Brød & Taylor. Your best bread is within reach. Brød & Taylor builds tools that help you get there. See what's possible at brodandtaylor.com. 

With their shattering layers and honeycomb interior, croissants are perhaps the ultimate pastry achievement. And they’ve never been hotter than right now.  

In this episode, David and Jessica unpack what makes croissants so special, including the intricacies of the lamination process, the irresistible appeal of a perfect pastry, and the “croissant theory” that powers many patisseries. They are then joined by Elisabeth Berthasavage, an instructor from the King Arthur Baking School known for her croissant classes. She shares her insight on how to make a perfect croissant at home (and why you should try!) before David and Jessica jump into Ask the Bakers to answer more questions about making croissants directly from listeners. Finally, they close out the show with a Jess-opinion about a particular croissant mashup and the recipes they’re baking this week.  

Recipes and other links from this episode: 

Read about The Croissant Theory in the Wall Street Journal  

Learn how to make croissant directly from Elisabeth in her On-Demand Class Intro to Laminated Baking  

Can’t get enough? Take our other croissant-focused On-Demand Class with instructor Wilhelm Wanders: Extra Flaky Croissants  

Find our recipe for Baker’s Croissants  

Read more about why more folds aren’t always better in croissants  

Subscribe to our new Substack: Things Bakers Know! 

What David’s baking this week: Salt Bread (Shio Pan) 

What Jessica’s baking this week: Weeknight Detroit Pizza  

Record your question for our Ask the Bakers segment here! 

This episode is sponsored by Brød & Taylor. Your best bread is within reach. Brød & Taylor builds tools that help you get there. See what's possible at brodandtaylor.com. 

What can’t tortillas do? Whether they’re made with corn or wheat, masa or masa harina, homemade tortillas are a thing of beauty.  

No one knows that better than today’s guest, Pati Jinich. One of the foremost experts on Mexican cuisine, Pati has traveled all over Mexico and the US to eat tortillas. She shares her vast knowledge of these special flatbreads, as well as her top tips for making them at home. Then, Jessica and David answer caller questions, including queries about tortilla presses and the elusive tortilla puff. Finally, they close the show with a Jess-opinion about what she likes to call the “burrito stump” and the recipes they’re baking this week.  

Recipes and other links from this episode: 

Get Pati’s recipe for Tacos Rojos (Red Tacos) 

Ready to make tortillas? We have recipes for Flour Tortillas, Corn Tortillas, and 50/50 Corn and Flour Tortillas 

Learn more about Pati Jinich, her work, and her upcoming book, Foods of La Frontera, at PatiJinich.com 

Get Pati Jinich’s tips for the best homemade tortillas 

What David’s baking this week: Masa Harina Pancakes with Blueberry Sauce 

What Jessica’s baking this week: Lemon Tiramisu  

Record your question for our Ask the Bakers segment here! 

This episode is sponsored by Brød & Taylor. Your best bread is within reach. Brød & Taylor builds tools that help you get there. See what's possible at brodandtaylor.com.