Cheryl Green is an access artist who’s spent a decade creating creative, immersive captions and five years crafting audio description, drawing on lived experience with chronic illness and invisible disabilities. She’s collaborated with disability‑focused organizations including Superfest International Disability Film Festival, Disability Visibility Project, and Kinetic Light; she’s also produced documentary films and makes (and transcribes) the storytelling podcast Pigeonhole.

Thomas Reid became blind in 2004 and reignited a long‑standing passion for audio. Selected as a “new voice scholar” by an association for independent radio in 2014, he launched Reid My Mind Radio, featuring compelling people impacted by blindness and disability—and, at times, reflective stories from his own life. He’s widely recognized for covering audio description and now narrates AD and other voiceover work.

Host Tim Villegas talks with Cheryl Green and Thomas Reid about storytelling by disabled creators, why medicalized “how it happened” narratives aren’t the only (or best) way to tell disability stories, and how to center community voice without objectifying guests. The conversation introduces Pod Access—a new effort bringing disabled podcasters and listeners together through a resource hub and companion podcast—while exploring language shifts, like Thomas Reid’s move from “vision loss” to “blind,” and the importance of owning one’s story. They close with messages for educators about believing and following the lead of students with invisible disabilities and chronic illness, and a reminder that what teachers say can shape a student’s self‑concept for years.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/cheryl-green-thomas-reid-pod-access-2/

Katie Novak is an internationally recognized education consultant, author of 11 books, graduate instructor at the University of Pennsylvania, and former assistant superintendent in Massachusetts. With over 20 years of experience in teaching and administration and a doctorate in curriculum and teaching, Katie specializes in Universal Design for Learning (UDL), Multi-Tiered Systems of Support (MTSS), and universally designed leadership. She designs and delivers workshops nationally and internationally to help educators implement inclusive practices.

Katie Novak breaks down what UDL really is—and isn’t—by centering three ideas: the dynamic variability of learners, firm goals with flexible means, and growing expert learners who can co-design their own paths. She clarifies how UDL (first-best, proactive design) fits alongside differentiated instruction (responsive grouping) and specially designed instruction (individualized supports), including for students with extensive support needs. The conversation also tackles common misconceptions about “choice,” rigor, and equity, and offers practical starting points so overwhelmed educators can move one step forward without trying to “do it all” at once.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/katie-novak-udl-now-2/

Michael Giangreco is a University Distinguished Professor Emeritus of Special Education at the University of Vermont and is affiliated with the UVM Center on Disability and Community Inclusion. He’s authored over 200 publications, presented across the U.S. and internationally, and is known for the “Absurdities and Realities of Special Education” cartoon collection, created to spark reflection and change in inclusive education.

Tim talks with Michael about why many schools over-rely on paraprofessionals for inclusion and how that can unintentionally create dependency, block peer relationships, reduce teacher ownership, and limit access to qualified instruction. Michael offers a simple shift: teachers take instructional ownership, special educators co-plan and co-facilitate, and paraprofessionals support the teachers (not attach 1:1 to students), all within inclusion‑oriented schools using natural proportions. They close with the story behind Michael’s cartoons and why humor and candor help the field move forward.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/michael-giangreco-on-the-overreliance-of-paraprofessionals-to-implement-inclusive-education-2/

Melissa Defayette — Third‑year PhD student in Special Education at the University of Maryland; advanced to candidacy in Fall 2022. Her research focuses on designing and implementing math interventions for students with moderate to severe disabilities in general education settings aligned to grade‑level content. She previously taught special education in Maryland for about seven years and has co‑authored three articles with a research team led by her advisor, Dr. Yakubova.

Note: In the interview (recorded early 2022), Melissa describes being a second‑year PhD student preparing for candidacy; she later achieved candidacy in Fall 2022.

Tim and Melissa dig into the gap between research and classroom practice in inclusive education—why we have decades of evidence for social and communication benefits but far less on academic outcomes for students with extensive support needs. They talk candidly about teacher mindsets, alternate assessments, and shifting from chasing “the standard” to measuring growth, and Melissa shares how a middle‑school moment first pushed her toward inclusion advocacy.

Complete notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/melissa-defayette-transitioning-from-teacher-to-researcher-2/

Temple Grandin, PhD — Professor of Animal Science, Colorado State University Dr. Grandin is a renowned author and advocate whose work bridges animal welfare, education, and neurodiversity. She’s written multiple New York Times bestsellers—including Animals in Translation, Animals Make Us Human, The Autistic Brain, and Thinking in Pictures—and her life story was portrayed in the HBO film Temple Grandin starring Claire Danes.

In her newest book, Visual Thinking, she argues that schools and industries undervalue “object visualizers” like herself, calling for the return of hands‑on classes and practical pathways so visual thinkers can thrive—skills she ties directly to real‑world innovation and workforce needs.

Dr. Temple Grandin explains why “visual thinking” matters for students, workplaces, and society—making the case that removing shop and other hands‑on classes has created a skills gap while screening out talented visual thinkers with algebra‑heavy requirements. She shares simple, low‑cost design fixes (from airport accessibility to animal‑welfare audits) and outlines how exposure, mentoring, and flexible pathways help all learners—especially autistic students—build meaningful careers.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/dr-temple-grandin-visual-thinking-2/

Ashley Barlow — Special education attorney practicing in the Greater Cincinnati area (licensed in Kentucky and Ohio), parent and self‑advocate, former K–12 German teacher, and host of Special Education Advocacy with Ashley Barlow. She runs Ashley Barlow Company, which offers reasonably priced resources and digital courses for parents and advocates, and serves as Director of Education at the National Down Syndrome Congress. 1

Tim Villegas — Host of Think Inclusive and Director of Communications at the Maryland Coalition for Inclusive Education (MCIE). A former special education teacher of 16 years, Tim founded Think Inclusive to learn, connect with self‑advocates and educators, and share practical stories about authentic, supported inclusion.

This crossover conversation flips the script: Tim Villegas and Ashley Barlow interview each other about what authentic inclusive education looks like and how to advocate for it—practically, legally, and system‑wide. They unpack how dear colleague letters and policy documents can strengthen IEP advocacy, why placement, membership, participation, and learning must all be present for inclusion to be real, and how “perfectly imperfect” is a healthy mindset for doing the work. They also spotlight district‑level systems change grounded in implementation science and share real‑world examples (like Cecil County Public Schools) where “general education first” is the norm.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/ashley-barlow-perfectly-imperfect-advocacy/

Jay Ruderman is the President of the Ruderman Family Foundation, a philanthropic organization dedicated to inclusion, diversity, and social justice. A lifelong social justice activist, Jay has championed disability rights and worked to hold the entertainment industry accountable for authentic representation. He also hosts the podcast All About Change, which highlights stories of activism and resilience.

In this episode, Tim Villegas talks with Jay Ruderman about his journey as an activist, the evolution of the Ruderman Family Foundation, and the fight for authentic representation of people with disabilities in media. They explore how advocacy strategies can influence systemic change, the power of storytelling, and why allyship is essential for creating a more inclusive society.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/jay-ruderman-all-about-change/

Debbie Taub — TASH board member and technical assistance provider with the TIES Center, a national TA center focused on building inclusive systems for students with the most significant cognitive disabilities. Also brings a parent perspective as a mom advocating at the IEP table.

Diane Ryndak — Professor at the University of North Carolina at Greensboro; co‑chair of TASH’s Inclusive Education Community of Practice (CoP), former TASH board member, and affiliated with the TIES Center on inclusive practices and policies.

Mary Fisher — Faculty at Lewis University (Romeoville, IL); co‑director of the TASH Inclusive Education CoP and long‑time TASH member since 1977. Focuses on teacher preparation and practical ways schools move toward inclusion.

Members of the TASH Inclusive Education Community of Practice break down what fully inclusive schools look like and how to get there—moving from “one student at a time” fixes to systemic change at school, district, and state levels. They highlight presuming competence, high expectations, explicit communication instruction, and clear placement in general education as non‑negotiables, and point listeners to tools (like TIES Center’s RISE/IER) that help teams reflect and plan.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/tash-characteristics-of-fully-inclusive-schools/

Charmaine Thaner is an inclusion advocate and founder of Collaborative Special Education Advocacy. She’s a former self‑contained special education teacher who became a general education teacher for 15 years, and now works alongside families and schools to make inclusive education real. She also hosts the long‑running Facebook Live series The Art of Advocacy.

Her path runs from Slippery Rock State College in the 1970s, to early work in Colorado schools, to serving as an education specialist with the PEAK Parent Center (Colorado’s PTI). As a parent, she and her husband advocated for full inclusion for their son, Dylan, who has Down syndrome—from community preschool through college—experiences that shape her practical, relationship‑first approach today.

Charmaine launched her advocacy business (originally Visions and Voices Together, now Collaborative Special Education Advocacy) to blend lived experience and professional know‑how and to stand with families in meetings when communication and trust have broken down.

In this episode, Tim Villegas talks with Charmaine Thaner about what it really takes to move inclusion from idea to everyday practice. Charmaine traces her journey from self‑contained teaching to general education and district collaboration, and then to parent‑advocacy after her son Dylan was born—highlighting why “relationships, relationships, relationships” are the three R’s of effective advocacy.

They dig into the rise, stall, and renewal of inclusive education, Dylan’s fully included path (including auditing classes at the University of Colorado - Colorado Springs with support from allies on campus), and the hard truth that some schools still isolate students despite paper “inclusion.” Charmaine shares when to ask for help, how to keep it collaborative (and when to escalate), and why broader coalitions—parents, self‑advocates, and educators—are pushing for changes like ending seclusion and restraint and implementing UDL with fidelity.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/charmaine-thaner-the-art-of-advocacy/

Kanwal Singh — former Director of the Vishwas school (India) and author of Hanging On: A Special Educator’s Journey into Inclusive Education (published in 2020). She began her career in 1988 at the Spastic Society of Northern India and has spent more than three decades moving from special education to integration to inclusion. Currently, she consults with the UK-based Enabling Education Network, supporting inclusive education and teacher training programs in Ethiopia and Uganda.

Kanwal Singh shares her journey from leading special schools to building a fully inclusive model at Vishwas in India—removing labels, simplifying language, and centering the idea of “all students together.” She explains why teacher preparation often teaches inclusion in theory but defaults to special-ed practices in reality, and what it takes to sustain inclusion: aligned people, systems, and funding.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/kanwal-singh-inclusive-education-in-india/