This American Ex-Wife: The Podcast

When I first read The Tragedy of Heterosexuality by Jane Ward, my life was ruined.

In it she writes, “...people cannot be rescued from forms of suffering that they themselves relate to as badges of honor.”

And, “In no way do I intend to imply that couples should spend every minute together, but if we held straight couples to basic standards of good friendship—mutual respect and affection and a sense of comfort and bondedness based on shared experience—many straight relationships would fail the test.”

These are insights that will destroy you.  And as if I weren’t wrecked enough, Jane Ward, herself came on the podcast to talk about Chappell Roan, raising good kids, heteropessimism and so much more.

Jane Ward is professor and chair of Feminist Studies at University of California Santa Barbara, where she teaches and writes about gender and sexual cultures. She is the author of multiple books, including The Tragedy of Heterosexuality, described by The New York Times Book Review as "a somber, urgent academic examination of the many ways in which opposite-sex coupling can hurt the very individuals who cling to it most. "

This season was generously sponsored by Funny Girls, which is a program run by the Harnisch Foundation that uses improv to teach leadership skills to girls and nonbinary kids in grades 3 to 8. You can learn more about its work here. 

Zachary Oren Smith is the producer, and Suzanne Glémot made the art for the show. And thank you to everyone who shared their stories with us.

If you loved this episode, we have a whole first season you can listen to. You can also buy Lyz’s New York Times best-selling book This American Ex-Wife.

This show costs money to make! So if you want to support us, please become a subscriber to the newsletter.

This season, we brought back my friend and the wildly talented author Morgan Jerkins to talk about sex, dating, love, and heartbreak all while reading your emails.

Morgan Jerkins is the New York Times bestselling author of This Will Be My Undoing, Wandering in Strange Lands, and Caul Baby. A newly minted Brooklynite, Jerkins has taught at Columbia Univer…

Census data indicates that while divorce rates are not rising, an increasing number of people are choosing not to marry. Some data shows that, in 2021, 52% of women in the United States were unmarried or separated, which is a record high.

As more Americans opt out of marriage, what once was the traditional home (one wife, one husband, two kids and a live laugh love sign on the wall of a suburban house) is being recreated to look like communes, co-living, and platonic partnership.

Rhaina came on the podcast to talk about different forms of living, family, and community and how she and her husband have hacked adulthood with one simple trick: housemateys.

When we recorded this episode with Rhaina, we didn’t know we’d be releasing it two days after a historic election. But it’s the perfect conversation for people imagining what community and solidarity can look like in their personal lives.

Rhaina Cohen is the bestselling author of The Other Significant Others: Reimagining Life with Friendship at the Center and an award-winning producer and editor for NPR's Embedded podcast.Her writing about social connection has been published by The Atlantic, The New York Times, The Washington Post, TIME and other outlets, and her work has been supported by the National Endowment for the Humanities Public Scholars Program. Cohen lives in Washington, D.C. with her husband and close friends.

This season was generously sponsored by Funny Girls, which is a program run by the Harnisch Foundation that uses improv to teach leadership skills to girls and nonbinary kids in grades 3 to 8. You can learn more about its work here. 

Zachary Oren Smith is the producer, and Suzanne Glémot made the art for the show. And thank you to everyone who shared their stories with us.

If you loved this episode, we have a whole first season you can listen to. You can also buy Lyz’s New York Times best-selling book This American Ex-Wife.

This show costs money to make! So if you want to support us, please become a subscriber to the newsletter.

In 2019, 72% of same-sex divorces were between lesbians, meaning they divorced at about three times the rate of gay male couples. It’s a statistic that might, at first, seem alarming. But we all know better than that by now. Divorce is no cause for alarm.

So what is happening in queer divorces? What forces of culture and expectations shape those unions? What pulls people apart?

For this episode, I asked Nico Hall to join me to talk about queer divorce. Nico is a divorcee who edited a series on queer divorce for the website Autostraddle. Nico is also a freelance writer and team writer for Autostraddle. They write creative nonfiction and the more straightforward variety, as well as fiction. They are currently at work on a secret long-form project. Nico also says they are haunted, which is perfect for this Halloween episode of the scariest thing that can happen to the patriarchy… women being free!

Nico and I talked about health insurance, gay divorce, and why being queer can’t protect you from the patriarchy.

This season was generously sponsored by Funny Girls, which is a program run by the Harnisch Foundation that uses improv to teach leadership skills to girls and nonbinary kids in grades 3 to 8. You can learn more about its work here. 

Zachary Oren Smith is the producer, and Suzanne Glémot made the art for the show. And thank you to everyone who shared their stories with us.

If you loved this episode, we have a whole first season you can listen to. You can also buy Lyz’s New York Times best-selling book This American Ex-Wife.

This show costs money to make! So if you want to support us, please become a subscriber to the newsletter.

There’s so much from my conversation with Dan Savage that we couldn’t put it all in one episode. So for paying subscribers, here’s a bonus segment where Dan and I talk through the orgasm gap for heterosexual couples.

Dan Savage, is, of course, the iconic podcaster and sex columnist.

This season was generously sponsored by Funny Girls, which is a program…

Dan Savage, the iconic podcaster and sex columnist, was on the forefront of the fight for marriage equality after seeing a whole generation of gay men die alone during the AIDs crisis, separated from their loved ones because they didn’t have the right to marry. 

Dan came on the podcast to talk about marriage equality and the continued struggle for freedom in relationships. He asked me if I’m afraid of dying alone and, of course, we talked about sex. 

This season was generously sponsored by Funny Girls, which is a program run by the Harnisch Foundation that uses improv to teach leadership skills to girls and nonbinary kids in grades 3 to 8. You can learn more about its work here. 

Zachary Oren Smith is the producer, and Suzanne Glémot made the art for the show. And thank you to everyone who shared their stories with us.

If you loved this episode, we have a whole first season you can listen to. You can also buy Lyz’s New York Times best-selling book This American Ex-Wife.

Also, paying subscribers to Men Yell at Me receive a special BONUS episode where Dan and I talk a lot about sex. So become a subscriber!

Welcome back for the second and final season of This American Ex-Wife: The Podcast! This season was generously sponsored by Funny Girls, which is a program run by The Harnisch Foundation that uses improv to teach leadership skills to girls and non-binary kids in grades three through eight. You can learn more about its work here. 

This season we will also have some paywalled episodes, so if you want to support the podcast, become a subscriber to Men Yell at Me. That way you won’t miss me and Dan Savage talking about sex, Morgan Jerkins giving us dating advice, and Rebecca Woolf expounding on who is really responsible for your orgasm.

This season has some pretty spectacular guests like Dan Savage and Eve Rodsky! *faints*

New episodes will go live on Thursday morning at 1 a.m. ET and you can listen to them wherever you subscribe to podcasts.

For our first episode, Lyz talked to Scaachi Koul about how marriage consumes your identity, how everyone should get divorced, and her new book Sucker Punch, which is out on March 11, 2025. Do yourself a favor and pre-order it now.

It’s a beautiful bruiser of a memoir and I cannot stop thinking about it.

An excerpt from Sucker Punch which we reference in the episode was published in The Cut.

Zachary Oren Smith is the producer, and Suzanne Glémot made the art for the show. And thank you to everyone who shared their stories with us.

If you loved this episode, we have a whole first season you can listen to. You can also buy Lyz’s New York Times best-selling book This American Ex-Wife.

Last year, we made a 10-episode season of this podcast and we are so proud of how it turned out. And want to make one more!!

Please fill out the survey to let us know the topics you want us to cover, the people you want us to talk to, ways to support the show, and any other ideas you want to share. We are listening.

Here is a link to the survey!

Oh and Lyz’s book is out in the world. Make sure you get a copy. If you love this podcast, you’ll love the book even more.

Okay, now, send us your stories:

* You can record a voicemail for me on Speakpipe. Speakpipe has an easy user interface and we want to hear your voice. These stories were our favorite part of season one. We can’t wait to hear what you have to say for season two. Please anonymize your stories as best as you can. We want to hear from you about:

* The moment you knew your marriage was over.

* Stories about co-parenting.

* Calling off engagements.

* Custody arrangements.

* Divorce parties.

* What you did with your wedding dress.

* What your life is like as an ex.

* The thing no one believes about your marriage.

* The hardest part of being divorced and the best part.

* What you love about your life now.

* That story about your marriage that you only tell your friends after two margaritas.

* You can also send an email to [email protected]. Tell us your stories there! But we do prefer voice messages. It’s an audio medium after all.

Thank you for making this an amazing first season!

Surprise! Here are the first 10 minutes from the first chapter of my book, This American Ex-Wife.

It’s a clip from the audiobook, which I narrate myself. I recorded the audiobook during a blizzard and an arctic freeze, and at some point, you can hear my throat start getting scratchy with a cold. I managed to get through with an ungodly amount of cough syrup. But it was such a pleasure to record. And let me tell you the joy that I had when I read, “This has been a production of Random House audio…” it was palpable.

Take a listen and please preorder the book! If that’s not in the budget you can request it from your local library. Preorders are crucial to the success of the book. So I appreciate every one of them. Thank you all so much.

In this episode, Lyz and best-selling author and journalist behind the popular newsletter, Burnt Toast, Virginia Sole Smith read your email and talk bodies, love, sourdough dads, and divorce.

This is the last week to PREORDER your copy of This American Ex-Wife.

Show notes:

* Read Virginia’s amazing newsletter Burnt Toast.

* Also, Virginia and Sara Petersen have an incredible podcast, “The Cult of Perfect.”

* Of course, read Virginia’s best-selling book and one of my favorite newsletters of hers on “The Life-Changing Magic of Eating Alone.”

* This American Ex-Wife is hosted by Lyz Lenz (@LyzLenz) and produced by Zachary Oren Smith (@ZachOSmith). Illustration by Alessandro Gottardo. Show art by Suzanne Glémot (@tape_remover).