At Podcast Summit 2025, Ace Metaphor sits down for a fireside chat with David Shands to reveal the raw truth about touring, collaborations, and building an ecosystem around your brand.

From the hidden costs of live events to creating multiple revenue streams beyond ticket sales, Ace breaks down how he scaled Tonight’s Conversation into a powerful movement.

🔥 What you’ll learn in this chat:

The real costs of touring (and how to actually make money)

Why collaborations can hurt if you’re not prepared

How to build an ecosystem that prints opportunities (events → apps → products)

Why filming everything fuels your growth

The power of selling to your audience instead of waiting on sponsors

If you want to scale your brand, grow your podcast, or launch live events — this fireside chat is a masterclass.

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