Guest: Ben Spurr, the Star's transportation reporter

The pandemic has been near catastrophic for public transit. Ridership dropped for the TTC, costing the transit service millions in fare revenue and the Ontario government more than $140 a ride as the province covered the cost of near-empty GO Transit and UP Express trips. But the worst could still be to come and the fear of the "death spiral" remains a real possibility. Today on "This Matters," we explain the pain and drain of the "transit death spiral" and whether how we move in a city post-pandemic will be led by cars instead of buses and subways.