Violence erupts on the streets of Los Angeles as protests devolve into riots, leaving the guys feeling both infuriated and heartbroken. This special episode offers a raw, unfiltered conversation about the disturbing scenes unfolding in California.

We dive deep into what's really happening on the ground versus how it's being portrayed by some media outlets and political figures. The footage reveals protesters deliberately antagonizing police officers, throwing rocks, and setting fires – yet somehow being characterized as "mainly peaceful protests." Our discussion examines the tepid response from California's leadership, including Governor Newsom and Mayor Bass, comparing it to how presidential leadership traditionally responds during national crises.

The most emotional moments come when we discuss the human cost – especially for the families of law enforcement officers who must watch their loved ones being attacked while trying to maintain order. These aren't just uniforms; they're fathers, mothers, sons, and daughters risking their safety to protect communities. The contrast between what's tolerated in major cities versus small-town America couldn't be clearer, reinforcing exactly they wrote the song "Try That in a Small Town."

This conversation goes beyond political talking points to examine the heart of what's at stake: public safety, respect for law enforcement, and the future direction of our cities. Whether you're from a small town or a major metropolitan area, this episode provides perspective on one of the most pressing issues facing our nation today.

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What happens when aging rock stars decide to bash America from overseas stages? In this spirited episode, the crew dives into Bruce Springsteen's controversial comments and why celebrities who once championed middle America now seem determined to alienate those very fans. "Trump hit a button in some of these people that just blew the lid off," they observe, questioning why stars risk relationships with loyal audiences for political statements.

The conversation shifts to a candid examination of the music industry's award system after Beyoncé and Post Malone recently won country music awards over Morgan Wallen. The hosts express deep skepticism about "fan voted" awards, arguing that Nashville executives have become dangerously disconnected from genuine country listeners. "Music Row will always be completely disconnected from the actual country listener," they assert, highlighting how industry decision-makers repeatedly misjudge what resonates with heartland audiences while chasing crossover appeal.

A highlight of the episode comes when K-Lo performs his hit "Laugh Until We Cry," followed by a moving discussion about how becoming a father transformed the song's meaning for him. This intimate moment showcases the authentic power of country songwriting – how lyrics crafted years earlier can evolve alongside life experiences. The hosts share inside stories about song origins and creative partnerships, giving listeners rare insight into the artistry behind the hits.

The episode closes with a passionate debate about college football's transformation under NIL deals, Brady and Belichick's legendary partnership, and what makes true leadership. Whether discussing music, sports, or politics, the conversation returns to one central theme: the growing divide between industry elites and the audiences they claim to serve.

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Step into the creative minds of Nashville's legendary songwriting troublemakers, the Warren Brothers. Brett and Brad Warren's unfiltered conversation reveals how two boys from Tampa, Florida—raised in a household so strict they couldn't walk down the beer aisle at Publix—transformed into the hitmaking duo behind some of country music's most iconic songs.

Their journey unfolds like a country song itself—packed with unexpected twists, poignant revelations, and belly laughs. The brothers recount how basketball skills, not musical talent, secured their friendship with Tim McGraw (leading to 37 song cuts), and how their early co-writes with Tom Douglas taught them the vulnerability required for great songwriting. From homemade Earth Shoes to spearfishing with McGraw, their stories paint an authentic picture of Nashville's creative community at its most raw and genuine.

The conversation takes a powerful turn when the brothers discuss getting sober and the transformative shift from being "collectors of everyone else's energy" to serving others through their music. This perspective change coincided with their greatest successes, including McGraw's emotional war tribute "If You're Reading This" and Toby Keith's party anthem "Red Solo Cup"—a song they wrote as a joke that became a cultural phenomenon.

As they reflect on thirty years in the business, the Warrens share priceless insights about creative partnerships, the evolution of Nashville's sound, and finding purpose in an industry constantly reinventing itself. Their candid discussion about cherishing longstanding friendships and focusing on quality over quantity resonates far beyond songwriting, touching on universal truths about authenticity and legacy.

Whether you're a songwriter, music lover, or someone navigating your own creative journey, this conversation will inspire you to embrace your unique path, cherish meaningful connections, and find the courage to put your truth into your work. Subscribe now and join the conversation with the songwriting duo behind some of country music's most unforgettable hits.

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Ever wonder what it takes to write a hit song? Try writing 84 of them. Ashley Gorley has accomplished what many thought impossible – becoming the most successful commercial songwriter of all time, surpassing even Paul McCartney's legendary catalog. This record-breaking achievement didn't happen overnight; it was built on years of dedication, countless hours in writing rooms, and an unmatched work ethic.

From his humble beginnings making DJ remixes and blending acapellas with different musical backings, Gorley developed a versatile approach that would later serve him across multiple genres. While Nashville's country music scene became his primary canvas, his talents have extended far beyond, crafting hits for artists ranging from Jason Aldean and Morgan Wallen to Bon Jovi and even earning a Grammy nomination with Weezer.

What separates Gorley from other songwriters? Perhaps it's his unique process – often writing without touching an instrument, focusing purely on melody and lyrics before anything else. Or maybe it's his remarkable ability to sense a hit, though he admits being surprised when experimental songs like "That's My Kind of Night" and "T-Shirt" became massive successes. More likely, it's his philosophy of originality: "Don't write B versions of what's already out there... what can you bring to the table that we don't already have?"

Despite his professional triumphs, Gorley's priorities remain firmly rooted in faith and family. Rather than chasing material possessions, he's invested his success in experiences, taking his children on meaningful trips around the world and mentoring the next generation of songwriters. Through his publishing company, he's helped foster another 50 number one hits beyond his personal catalog.

For aspiring writers, his advice is both encouraging and sobering: find your creative community, be open to criticism, and prepare for rejection. The path isn't easy – Gorley wrote for seven years before his first hit – but for those willing to put in the work and offer something unique, Nashville still offers that rare opportunity where a great song can be recorded simply because someone loves it.

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Twenty years ago, a small-town Georgia man with a dream released "Hicktown" and changed country music forever. Now, Jason Aldean sits down with us to unpack the remarkable journey from those uncertain early days to stadium-headlining superstardom.

In this revealing conversation, Aldean takes us behind the velvet rope of the music industry, sharing how he nearly passed on songs that became career-defining hits and watched others he declined become massive successes for fellow artists. "I think songs land where they're supposed to," he reflects, detailing his instinctive approach to selecting material that genuinely resonates with him rather than chasing trends or concepts.

The camaraderie between Aldean and the podcast hosts creates an intimate atmosphere as they reminisce about the lean years—playing to near-empty rooms, surviving on gas station food, and the faithful few who saw something special before the rest of the world caught on. Particularly moving is Aldean's tribute to producer Michael Knox, the one person who never abandoned ship when record deals fell apart: "I owe that guy everything."

Exclusive reveals about his upcoming album (including multiple high-profile duets) will excite longtime fans, while his candid takes on everything from NFL draft picks to reality TV offers provide a glimpse at the man behind the music. Aldean's perspective on artistic integrity resonates throughout, especially when discussing how streaming has changed listeners' relationship with music: "I think a little bit of that's lost now."

Whether you've followed Aldean since "Hicktown" or discovered him through "Try That in a Small Town," this conversation offers both nostalgia and fresh insights from an artist who's remained true to himself through two decades of country music evolution. Subscribe now and join us for this unforgettable journey through the highs, lows, and everything in between with one of country's most authentic voices.

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What happens when one of media's most outspoken voices sits down with the writers behind "Try That in a Small Town"? A raw, unfiltered conversation that cuts through the noise of today's cultural battles.

Jason Whitlock brings his signature fearlessness to the podcast, sharing personal stories about growing up in Indianapolis where his father owned several bars in working-class Black neighborhoods. These formative experiences shaped his perspective on community, faith, and the shared values that transcend racial divides. With candid humor and piercing insight, Whitlock challenges the hosts and listeners alike to consider how today's cultural climate has created unexpected shifts in American music.

The discussion takes a fascinating turn as Whitlock explains his journey into country music after moving to Nashville in 2020. Having grown up primarily listening to R&B and rap, he found himself drawn to the authentic storytelling and emotional depth of artists like Morgan Wallen and Aaron Lewis. This leads to a powerful observation about how great art emerges from struggle, and how today's country music gives voice to Americans who feel silenced or marginalized by mainstream culture.

Throughout the episode, the conversation weaves between music, faith, politics, and personal responsibility. Whitlock doesn't shy away from controversial topics, challenging conventional wisdom about race relations, gender roles, and the importance of Biblical values in modern society. His perspective on the courage required to stand apart from the crowd resonates deeply with the songwriters, who share their own experiences of creating music that pushes against cultural expectations.

Whether you're passionate about music, cultural commentary, or just appreciate authentic conversation that doesn't follow predictable scripts, this episode offers refreshing honesty and thought-provoking insights. Listen now and join the conversation about what it really means to speak your truth in today's divided America.

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Remember when Nashville's Music Row was lined with old houses turned publishing companies and studios? When writers walked songs across the street to publishers and artists mingled at the 16th Avenue Café? Those days are fading into memory, replaced by high-rises and corporate offices that barely resemble the creative community that built country music.

In this nostalgic yet forward-looking conversation, the guys reflect on Music Row's transformation and what it means for the future of songwriting. Neil shares the surprising story of his spontaneous wedding at the Music Row Wedding Chapel ("We tracked five songs, did vocals and harmonies, and then decided to get married"), while the others reminisce about Nashville landmarks that have disappeared with time.

The discussion moves beyond physical changes to the deeper shifts in how music is created and consumed today. When streaming pays fractions of pennies split between multiple songwriters, creating "forever songs" becomes economically challenging. As Kurt explains, "It's hard for songwriters to get excited anymore. I don't get excited if I see somebody putting out a song on social media because you don't make any money." Despite touting millions of streams, many artists struggle to sell concert tickets, revealing the disconnect between digital numbers and real-world impact.

Yet through their frustrations, these veteran songwriters demonstrate why they've survived in the business: genuine passion for the craft. Even without financial incentive, the validation of sharing a great song idea with respected collaborators provides enough fuel to keep creating. They propose that giving songwriters a percentage of master recordings might help preserve the quality songwriting that built Nashville's reputation.

Whether you're a songwriter, music industry professional, or simply a country music fan, this episode offers valuable insights into the evolution of Music City. Subscribe now and join the conversation about preserving what matters in music while embracing inevitable change.

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From competing in the World Championships of Hairdressing to contemplating suicide on a bridge in Florida, Cledus T Judd's journey to Nashville stardom defies all expectations. In this deeply vulnerable conversation, the country music parody artist takes us behind the laughter to reveal the demons he battled along the way.

Standing in his mother's double-wide trailer, watching Vince Gill win at the CMAs, Cledus made an impossible promise that would change his life forever. With nothing but determination, he slept in walk-in closets, under parking lot lights, and drove through ice storms with frostbitten fingers – all while pursuing his unlikely dream. The turning point came when he heard Tim McGraw's "Indian Outlaw" on the radio and spontaneously created the parody that would launch his career.

What makes this episode extraordinary isn't just Cledus's comedic talents, but the surprising kindness he encountered from Nashville's biggest stars. Vince Gill fulfilling a promise to meet his mother. Toby Keith offering a private plane during family emergencies and championing him to arena crowds when he couldn't be there. These aren't just celebrity encounters – they're profound moments of humanity in an often cutthroat business.

Most powerful is Cledus's raw account of addiction and redemption. Standing in a hospital bathroom the day his daughter was born, cocaine in hand, he made a choice that would save his life. The quarter he dropped that day still sits in his wallet – a reminder of the moment everything changed. From reconciliation with his estranged father to heart-wrenching final conversations with his mother, Cledus reveals how the deepest pain can become purpose when channeled into helping others find recovery.

This conversation will make you laugh, cry, and reconsider what you think you know about the people behind the music. Listen now and discover why humor might be the most powerful survival tool of all.

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Michael Knox, the visionary producer behind Jason Aldean's groundbreaking sound, pulls back the curtain on one of country music's most remarkable success stories. Knox's candid revelations about their journey expose the harsh realities of Nashville's music business—an incredible 40 showcase rejections, multiple lost record deals, and years of struggle before breakthrough success.

What makes this conversation extraordinary is hearing how Knox deliberately architected Aldean's revolutionary sound when mainstream Nashville wasn't ready for it. "The whole plan with Jason was to be Tim McGraw's nightmare, to be the replacement of that generation," Knox explains. "You can't do that if you don't cover all the bases—I can tear your head off, steal your girl, make you cry."

Knox shares fascinating production stories, including how executives at Broken Bow Records first heard "Hicktown" with a broken speaker that eliminated the electric guitar parts—yet still loved it. He reveals the battles fought for now-iconic songs like "She's Country," "Big Green Tractor," and "Dirt Road Anthem"—all initially dismissed as career-ending risks by industry gatekeepers.

The conversation takes a personal turn when Knox discusses his father, Buddy Knox, who had the first self-written #1 hit in rock and roll history ("Party Doll") yet remains excluded from the Rock Hall of Fame. This family connection illuminates Knox's deep understanding of the music business's often unfair nature and his determination to help Aldean succeed against overwhelming odds.

What emerges is a masterclass in artistic vision and perseverance. In today's era of overnight TikTok sensations, Knox questions whether artists who haven't weathered rejection and struggle can develop the character needed for lasting careers. "These people today don't suffer like that," he reflects, celebrating the hard-earned journey that shaped Aldean's authentic connection with fans.

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From sending audition tapes to Metallica and The Rolling Stones to becoming one of wrestling's most iconic figures, Hulk Hogan's journey through entertainment spans nearly five decades of unexpected twists and reinventions.

In this deeply personal conversation, the 71-year-old WWE Hall of Famer pulls back the curtain on his early years, revealing how he transitioned from playing bass guitar six nights a week in southeastern clubs to wrestling as "The Super Destroyer" for just $25 a match. Hogan shares surprising stories about living in his van on Pensacola Beach, quitting wrestling multiple times to work as a longshoreman, and how Vince McMahon Sr. gave him the name that would change pop culture forever.

The wrestling legend divulges shocking behind-the-scenes details about his breakthrough role as Thunderlips in Rocky III – including how he negotiated his $14,000 payment with Sylvester Stallone and subsequently got fired from the WWF for taking the part. Even more surprising is his revelation about the famous 1984 Madison Square Garden match against the Iron Sheik, where a competing promoter allegedly offered the Sheik $100,000 to legitimately break Hogan's leg.

Beyond the nostalgic wrestling tales, Hogan speaks candidly about his spiritual journey, describing how he's found peace through faith after the physical toll of ten back surgeries and countless other injuries from his wrestling career. Now running Hogan's Hangout in Tampa and promoting his Real American Beer, he reflects on the profound impact his character had on generations of fans worldwide.

Whether you grew up watching Hulkamania run wild or simply appreciate stories of perseverance and reinvention, this conversation offers a rare glimpse into the man behind the 24-inch pythons. Subscribe now and share your favorite Hulk Hogan memories in the comments!

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