This week Ken welcomes the astounding accomplished, TV all star, casting royalty Joel Thurm on the show.

Ken and Joel discuss his book, "Sex, Drugs & Pilot Season", the importance of caffiene, Hollywood tellalls, how to guides, judging all of the NBC pilots from 80-90 ish, the Brendon Tartikoff era of NBC, Fred Silverman, making money producing old people shows, Grant Tinker, homophobia in Hollywood, producing Elvira Mistress of the Dark, NBC Films, trusting and listening to your star, how "difficult" actresses are usually just right and standing up for themselves, getting typecast casting comedy, Bicentenial Minutes, growing up in rural Brooklyn, starting out at the top, working on high quality projects at CBS, Bob Newhart, starting on Broadway, getting Charlton Heston gas, having mentors, your grandparents having a dairy farm, befriending Pearl Bailey, the choice of being fired or promoted, always having an eye for casting, strong women, moving to LA with a job that wasn't a job, Nell Carter, the creation of Gimme a Break, Baywatch, discovering David Hasselhoff, being head of talent for Spelling-Goldberg, Starsky and Hutch, only being friends with excelleng casting directors, Love Boat, Fantasy Island, casting reality TV, Pop Stars for Stone Stanley, giving Nicole Scherzinger her big break, needing to remind Nicole Scherzinger you gave her her big break, why casting directors are like fairy godmothers, having a very small part in casting the post Lorne year of SNL, casting Grease, Rocky Horror, having four hours of network TV you cast on the air every week, telling it like it is, Ted Danson's f**kability, Boy in the Plastic Bubble, being handy, charity work, and casting Cheers.