This week Ken welcomes showrunner (Bones), author (The Driver, The Seminarian) and all around amazing human Hart Hanson.

Ken and Hart discuss Canadian advertisements of dogs who want milk, milk bags, thinking you were Canadian your whole life until you find out you were actually secretly American, Dave Thomas, not being one of those show business living guys in show biz, always wanting to be a novelist, having TV as your fall back, the Canadian 80s TV landscape, Toronto TV vs. Vancouver, interning at the CBC, The Beachcombers, Buffy, faxing your way to fun and profit, The Outer Limits, Poltergeist: The Legacy, Road to Avaonlea, The Kids in the Hall, winning Canadian Emmys, Traders, Sarah Polley, reasons Hart was intimidated to be on the show, Matt Nix, The Kings, Cupid, being told you are too old, general meetings, Rob Thomas, Bones, how to survive in show biz, being assigned work, the late 90s -10s, how studios don't even know what they own, finance and ratings, crazy decisions, streaming hammock shows where nobody watches the middle four, Fringe, telling long form stories without knowing how long you have to tell them, hating serial killers, crime dramas, P.I.s, always having a sense of humor in your work, The Royle Family, how stand ups are used in the UK, panel shows, Taskmaster, Ken's fury at when stand ups always need to be holding a mic when they appear on television, owing the network, back when we had seasons, feeling bad about shows that didn't go, not making CSI, learning the lesson of Moonlighting, working on very dark, serious shows, gallows humor, the way humor helps people cope, Joan of Arcadia, Barbara Hall, Judging Amy, bonding with Dave Thomas, writing for people you want to meet, Billy Gibbons, Cyndi Lauper, ZZ Top, being a bad guitar player, Michael B Jordan, casting people before they were stars, bringing back teen idols, Manhunter, the writers' strike, The Finder, being the victim of executive arguments, feeling like you let Rainn Wilson down, and how we're the FBI, idiot.