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What’s it like to live a double life for decades—and keep your faith intact? This week Jeff and Carollynn host one of the most jaw-dropping interviews yet with retired FBI Special Agent Scott Payne.

With 28 years in law enforcement (including 23 in the FBI), Scott shares unfiltered stories from his time infiltrating outlaw motorcycle gangs, white supremacist groups, and murder-for-hire rings. It’s a raw, riveting conversation about loyalty, spiritual warfare, and the toll undercover work takes on the soul. From violence and betrayal to brotherhood and grace, this episode is a ride you won’t forget.

🎯 Topics Covered:

• How Scott became “Pale Horse” and infiltrated America’s most dangerous circles
• The spiritual cost of living undercover—and how faith helped him survive
• PTSD, marriage, and the emotional fallout of undercover work
• Why the first responder community is in crisis, and what Scott’s doing about it
• A powerful conversation on redemption, brotherhood, and mental health

Guest Scott Payne:

Scott Payne is a retired FBI Special Agent with 28 years of experience investigating high-risk cases involving drug trafficking organizations, human traffickers, outlaw motorcycle gangs, public corruption, and domestic terrorism. He served as a SWAT operator, firearms instructor, and undercover operations trainer. Known for his calm intensity and deep faith, Scott now speaks and writes about the tension between justice and grace. He lives in the Southeast with his wife, two daughters, and a couple of loyal dogs.

🔗 SOCIAL LINKS
🐦 X (Twitter): @Scott_D_Payne
📸 Instagram: @scottpaynebigcountry
💼 LinkedIn: Scott Payne on LinkedIn

📚 SCOTT'S BOOK:
Code Name: Pale Horse : How I went Undercover To Expose America's Nazis by Scott Payne and Michelle Shephard
🔗 Simon & Schuster Book Link

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