This is the first episode of Unmanaged The Podcast.
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Hi, I’m Elizabeth.
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Welcome to Unmanaged Workplace Strategy.
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This is going to be a little bit of a longer episode.
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I’m testing out kind of moving to longer form podcasts,
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so please let me know what you think after this episode.
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I’d love to hear from you.
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Today I want to tell you about a version of myself that I’m not embarrassed about anymore.
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I’m not embarrassed to talk about it,
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but it was a version of me that I spent a really long time not understanding.
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And I’ll start my story here.
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I was an HR director at a new organization.
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The interviews had gone really well.
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My boss seemed funny and kind.
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My colleagues seemed affable and kind.
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It was an organization that had been through a lot.
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And from my interviews, what I heard was, we’re turning over a new leaf.
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We want you to help drive the accountability,
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the management,
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training,
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and all of that so that we can change the culture.
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And I’m all up for a good transformation.
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That’s one of my favorite things to do.
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So I was all in on that.
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Then a few months in,
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I was in a meeting with my boss and we were just talking about HR stuff and another
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director walked in and they were talking and then suddenly they were both yelling
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and my boss was like slamming his hand on the table and the other guy was yelling
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and he was yelling and then suddenly the other director said okay thanks and he
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turned around and he walked out
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and my boss turned back to me and said okay where were we like just like nothing
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had ever happened I need a little bit more transition time than that to go from
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yelling to regular conversation it was unbelievable I had never seen anything like
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that before um
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So it was off and I started noticing other things were off but I kept justifying
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them so another time he told me how much he hated a specific employee and I thought
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that is strange that he uses the word hate and that he says it so without regret I
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hate this person and
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I justified it in my head by saying, okay, well, I’m building trust with him.
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So maybe this means that I can trust him.
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Maybe this means that he trusts me.
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And why I thought that justified it, I don’t know.
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But that’s what I did in my head.
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So another time he...
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I was walking out to my car and he caught up with me and he was asking me about a
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specific situation that had happened that day.
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And I said, oh, you know, better late than never.
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I don’t know.
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It was something like that.
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And he said, I am pissed.
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And it was just the way he said it with a stoic face.
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And, you know, I
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Often try to break tension with humor.
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And so I think I cracked some kind of a stupid joke.
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Anyways, he didn’t say anything in return.
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He just walked to his car and drove off.
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Anyways, I started dreading his moods.
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I never knew what version of him I was going to get.
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Like,
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are you going to be the brainstorming version or the two word answer version or the
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volatile one?
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The one that is silent and you just walk away.
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Like, which one are you today?
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So I overprepared.
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I brought data.
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I brought plans.
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I brought structure.
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And he would look at my work and literally toss it aside and tell me that I only
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wanted to do the fun stuff.
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And I’d heard him say that about other female leaders.
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And to be clear, I don’t know that this is a gendered comment, but
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And that was the only context in which I heard it.
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He actually drew me a diagram to explain to me how I only wanted to do the fun stuff.
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So he had three columns like ideas, approval slash implementation, and then fun stuff.
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And he put this X in the fun stuff column and was like, this is where you want to start.
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And he’s like,
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you have to go all the way back to the beginning And I was like,
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that’s what I gave you That’s what I handed you I handed you the plans,
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the structure The risk analysis I handed that to you And it didn’t move him at all
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He was just like,
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you know,
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you don’t get to work on the fun stuff yet Go back
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and create a better, you know, time off request form or something like that.
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Like he wanted me to do the manual work, even though I had a team that was doing it.
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He felt that I should be completely entrenched in that.
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So, okay.
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But I started getting just really...
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Nervous around him.
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I would see him in the hallway and if he scowled,
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then I would spin out and try to figure out what I did to cause it.
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Every time I executed something and it got any type of negative feedback or
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anything like that,
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which is always standard,
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right?
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You’re always going to get feedback from people who don’t agree with what you did
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and you can use that as data,
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right?
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And improve it and move forward.
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But every time something happened like that, he would
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Come and talk to me and say, remember when I told you this wasn’t going to work?
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And look what happened.
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Excuse me.
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He would say, like, remember when you said this was a great idea and now we have this mess?
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And it was always about one or two little things that didn’t go the way I had planned.
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Things that were recoverable, easy to adjust to because things change.
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Sorry I got a tickle in my throat there but anyways every single time I got
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something negative feedback or even just like ways you could improve this he
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decided that that meant that it was a failure and that he had been right all along.
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So like a frog in boiling water I was slowly being destroyed by my environment
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And the moment I finally noticed it was when I was in my office.
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My boss had come to talk to me about something.
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The door was shut, and he was pacing back and forth in front of the door.
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Now, for anyone who’s been through traumatic experiences, that may trigger you.
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It certainly triggered me.
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Inside of me, I was screaming, I can’t get out.
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Like, I need a path to exit.
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But I couldn’t say anything because he was yelling and he was sneering at me,
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which is something that I hadn’t experienced ever in a professional workplace.
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But he actually said to me, blah, blah, blah, and then some other things.
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But I had never experienced that in a workplace.
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Was totally shocked and then he I asked him to leave and he yelled and sneered and
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then slammed the door behind himself and that’s when I finally said to myself I
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don’t think this is normal but by that point I was crying every day like people
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would walk into my office and say how are you and I almost couldn’t stop myself
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from crying like that’s how
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It was constant brain fog.
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I would go home,
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maybe grab some crackers to eat for dinner and go straight to bed because I
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couldn’t actually handle talking to my husband or anything else.
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It was just too much.
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It wasn’t until I left many months later that I could start to see what had
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actually been happening.
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And a really interesting thing happened when I left is my former colleagues started
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reaching out and sharing their own experiences in the same workplace.
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And hearing someone else’s story,
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I started seeing the patterns that I had completely missed while I was inside of
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that workplace.
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The manipulation, the gaslighting, the way information had been used as a weapon.
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I started kind of zooming out and looking at this as a big Jenga puzzle,
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pulling out the bad pieces,
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pulling out the noise,
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right?
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And what was left standing was the truth of what had happened.
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And at the top of it was my competency,
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my skills,
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my track record,
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the thank you notes from employees that I’d helped through hard situations,
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the managers
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who told me that their conversation with an employee was a success because of the
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work that we had done together prior to the conversation.
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I hadn’t failed, and the problem wasn’t my competence.
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It was that I kept delivering messages that they didn’t want to hear.
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So as an HR director, it’s my job to bring
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Risk, People Risk Situations up, right?
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And let them know, hey, this is a risk that is being created in this area.
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You may want to do something about it.
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And so I would do that as part of my job.
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But whenever I had to report something about one of the executives,
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my boss would take it personally,
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like I had just called him a name.
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And then he started asking me questions like,
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whose side are you on,
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the employee’s side or the manager’s side?
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And I said, there isn’t a side.
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The best way to support an organization is to support employees to be successful.
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This is what I see as a risk.
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This is problematic.
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And if we don’t address it, it’s going to be a problem.
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But I think their expectations of HR were much different from mine.
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And in their minds,
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I think HR is there to protect them,
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not the business,
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but protect them from getting in trouble and keeping the paperwork going.
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That is what I could see clearly.
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After I really went through the process of visualizing,
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seeing it clearly,
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structurally,
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without the fog,
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and it shifted everything for me.
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I built Unmanaged because when I looked back at what had happened,
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I could see exactly where I had lost myself.
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The doubt I had internalized.
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The endurance I had mistaken for professionalism.
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The good faith that I extended to people who had not earned it.
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And it was in fact dangerous for me to have faith in them.
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The way I had personalized every mood, every slight, every slammed door.
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And that just heavy burden of obligation that I felt I had to drive myself into the
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floor to prove that I belonged there.
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But I didn’t belong there.
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And it’s not a character flaw, right?
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Like these are patterns of behavior and they’re actually patterns of behavior that
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are seen in workplaces all across this country.
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You know,
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the statistic of 80% of American employees identify as being in a toxic work
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environment.
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That’s a huge number.
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And when I think about how I felt during that experience,
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the despair,
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the inability to take care of myself,
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like exercise,
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healthy food,
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time with friends,
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time with family.
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No, like I was entirely consumed by
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with this job and how I could meet expectations that were not designed for me to meet.
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I became alarmed at imagining 80% of American employees feeling that same way.
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Because what does that mean?
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It means that you don’t have the time or bandwidth in your brain to critically
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think through what’s happening.
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And in the cultural environment that we find ourselves in now, like that is so scary to me.
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If workplaces are negatively impacting people to that degree,
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that they lose themselves,
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they lose their values,
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they lose everything that’s important to them.
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What are we doing?
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This is why workplace violence happens.
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It’s why people get so frustrated at not being heard.
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And the feeling of despair is just overwhelming.
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That is really what got me thinking of how can we stop this?
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How can we mitigate it?
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And based on my experiences, it hasn’t been
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Easy to get leaders to look at their own behavior and that’s often where the
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toxicity starts right because the head of the organization often sets the tone for
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the environment and for the culture so as I mapped out like what I had to unlearn
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and what I learned then they kind of fell into the unmanaged pillars right so we
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have 10 of them and
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I started to see a structure where maybe we could start infusing these skills and
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these abilities in our employee base across the country.
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Critical thinking,
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emotional intelligence,
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nervous system regulation,
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with what we’re learning about neuroplasticity and the ability to rewire our
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brains.
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I think it’s exciting.
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We can train employees
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We can train ourselves to regulate our nervous system,
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to critically think through situations using emotional intelligence at work,
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but also in the world,
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with our families,
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in our personal relationships,
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because these are the things that successful strategies are built on because you
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are separating the emotions from the facts and you’re moving forward in that way.
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My revolutionary idea for Unmanaged is to get employees below the executive level
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to identify where they’re losing themselves and turn it around so that they don’t
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get to the point that I got to where I was completely lost.
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That we start giving them these skills to start identifying the patterns while they’re in it.
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so that they can not only protect themselves,
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but when they leave that organization,
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they can take what they learned and make it a better place,
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their next place a better place.
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It might be pie in the sky ideas,
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but I feel like maybe we could use some pie in the sky ideas right now.
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And so that’s why I built Unmanaged.
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I hope that you all get something valuable from the resources that we have on our
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website it’s unmanagedpeople.com please check it out and I’d love to hear from you
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please send me an email send me feedback tell me what you’re struggling with I’d
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love to hear from you and if you’d like to be a guest on my podcast please let me
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know because I’d love to talk to people about their experiences and how they
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overcame the damage that a toxic work environment did to them
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I hope you have a great week.
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