Unveiling Mormonism

In this episode, Bryan and Bo discuss the concept of the gathering of Israel in Mormonism and compare it to the Christian view of dispensationalism. They explore the differences between the literal gathering of Jewish people in Israel as believed by dispensationalists and the broader gathering of believers in Mormonism. They also discuss the role of the temple in Mormonism and how it differs from the Christian understanding of salvation through faith in Jesus. The conversation highlights the simplicity and grace of biblical Christianity compared to the works-based approach of Mormonism.

Find the official LDS Article of Faith at their website here. 

LDS:“We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.”

• AC: We believe every person’s eternal destiny is sealed at the moment of death. God knows those who are His own. Those who have accepted His free grace through Jesus Christ will live forever to glorify Him. Unbelievers will be judged with righteousness and separated forever from His presence. (2 Cor. 5:6-10; Luke 23:40-43; Phil. 1:23; John 5:29; Luke 16:22-28; Matt. 25:46; 1 Cor. 15:51-55; Heb. 9:27-28; Rev. 22:3-5; Rev. 1:17-18)
• See also: https://www.pursuegod.org/eschatology/ 

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Chris and Beck share their journey of leaving the Mormon Church after facing the questions and doubts they had. If you came to Mormonism because of the social side of it - the friendships, connection, and community - then this episode might be for you!

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In this conversation, Bryan, Bo, and Katie discuss LDS Article of Faith 8, which states that Mormons believe in the Bible as far as it is translated correctly, as well as the Book of Mormon. They explore the implications of this belief, including the doubt it introduces into Bible study and the emphasis on the Book of Mormon in LDS teachings. They also discuss the Gospel Topics Essays, which address controversial topics in Mormon history, and the impact of leaving the Mormon Church on individuals and families. The conversation highlights the importance of a biblical worldview and the nourishment found in preaching from the Bible. Article of Faith number nine in Mormonism states that continuing revelation is critical to their belief system, with modern-day prophets revealing God's Word today. However, this belief contradicts the Christian view that the Bible is the only complete and final authority in faith and life. Mormons hold the words of a modern prophet above God's revealed word in the Bible, which can be dangerous as it allows modern culture to influence doctrine. The foundation of faith in Christianity is God's Word, which provides a direct relationship with God and serves as the complete and final authority in life.

Takeaways

• Mormons believe in the Bible as far as it is translated correctly, but they also believe in the Book of Mormon.
• The emphasis on the Book of Mormon in LDS teachings can overshadow the importance of the Bible.
• The Gospel Topics Essays address controversial topics in Mormon history and have caused many Mormons to question their faith.
• Leaving the Mormon Church can be a difficult and emotional process, as it challenges deeply held beliefs and can lead to social ostracism.
• A church that preaches from the Bible as the inspired, authoritative, and infallible Word of God can provide a nourishing spiritual experience. Mormons believe in continuing revelation through modern-day prophets, while Christians believe that the Bible is the only complete and final authority in faith and life.
• Mormons prioritize the words of a modern prophet over God's revealed word in the Bible, which can lead to changes in doctrine influenced by culture.
• The foundation of faith in Christianity is God's word, which provides a direct relationship with God and serves as the complete and final authority in life.
• Believing in Jesus and accepting the Bible as the ultimate authority can lead to a transformed life and salvation.

Find the official LDS Article of Faith at their website here. 

LDS:“We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.”

• AC: We believe the Bible, composed of the sixty-six books of the Old and New Testaments, is inspired, authoritative, and infallible in its original manuscripts. It is, therefore, the only complete and final authority in faith and life. (2 Tim. 3:16-17; 2 Pet. 1:19-2; John 17:17; Romans 3:4; John 20:30-31; Matt. 24:35).

LDS:“We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.”

• AC: We believe the Bible, composed of the sixty-six books of the Old and New Testaments, is inspired, authoritative, and infallible in its original manuscripts. It is, therefore, the only complete and final authority in faith and life. (2 Tim. 3:16-17; 2 Pet. 1:19-2; John 17:17; Romans 3:4; John 20:30-31; Matt. 24:35).

Hebrews 1:1-3 (NLT) 1 Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways to our ancestors through the prophets. 2 And now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he created the universe. 3 The Son radiates God’s own glory and expresses the very character of God, and he sustains everything by the mighty power of his command. When he had cleansed us from our sins, he sat down in the place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God in heaven.

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Today we’ll answer the question: When should you reject spiritual authority? It was required a few times in Christian history, and it all started with Peter and John in Acts 4.

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Here’s a question: When Should You Reject Spiritual Authority?

• Some of you may say, Always
• No one wants to submit these days…
• Judges era: “Everyone did what was right in their own eyes”
• General lack of respect for spiritual authority
• So much hopping around from church to church
• Not a “sense of awe” that we saw at the end of book of Acts
• But see Is Spiritual Authority a Thing Anymore?
• Quick answer: Yes!
• Spiritual leadership in the church flows from Jesus’ authority, and obedience to godly leaders benefits the soul. 
• Hebrews 13:17 Obey your spiritual leaders, and do what they say. Their work is to watch over your souls, and they are accountable to God. Give them reason to do this with joy and not with sorrow. That would certainly not be for your benefit.
• So I’ll ask again: When should you reject spiritual authority?
• Because you shouldn’t blindly follow it
• There are times you should reject it, as we’ll see in the text today
• We’re covering Acts 4:1-22
• We’ll get there in a minute, but first…

Martin Luther (1483-1546)

• 1507: Ordained as a priest.
• 1517: On October 31, Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the door of the Wittenberg Castle Church, challenging the Catholic Church’s practice of selling indulgences and other corruptions. This event is often marked as the beginning of the Protestant Reformation.
• 1520: Published three key works: "To the Christian Nobility of the German Nation," "On the Babylonian Captivity of the Church," and "On the Freedom of a Christian," outlining his theological views and criticisms of the Church.
• 1521: Excommunicated by Pope Leo X in January. In April, he was summoned to the Diet of Worms, where he famously refused to recant his writings, saying, "Here I stand, I can do no other." Declared an outlaw by the Edict of Worms.

William Tyndale (c. 1494-1536)

• 1523: Sought permission to translate the Bible into English, but was denied by the Bishop of London. Fled the next year to Germany to work on his translation.
• 1525: Completed the New Testament in English, printed in 1526 in Cologne and Worms.
• 1526: The first printed copies of Tyndale’s New Testament were smuggled into England, where they were banned and burned by the Church.
• 1536: William Tyndale was executed by strangulation and then burned at the stake on October 6.

Jan Hus (c. 1372-1415)

• 1400: Ordained as a priest.
• 1411: Excommunicated by Pope John XXIII for his opposition to indulgences.
• 1415: Jan Hus was burned at the stake on July 6 for his teachings and refusal to recant.

John Wycliffe (c. 1330-1384)

• 1376: Began criticizing the wealth and corruption of the Church, calling for reform.
• 1377: Pope Gregory XI condemned Wycliffe’s teachings, issuing five papal bulls against him.
• 1380: Wycliffe started translating the Bible into English, believing that scripture should be accessible to all believers. His translation was completed by his followers after his death.
• Wycliffe is often called the "Morning Star of the Reformation" for his early calls for reform within the Catholic Church.

But 1300 years earlier, the ragtag followers of Jesus were the first Christian reformers. And that story begins in Acts chapter 4 

• the first clash between the apostles and the Jewish religious authority. 
• In the Gospels, Jesus was the one clashing with the spiritual leaders. but now in the church age the battle will be waged between the followers of Jesus and the religious establishment. 
• Chapter 4 gives us our first glimpse at the changing of the guard. the church has been born, but in its infancy it's unclear to the apostles how they will relate to the temple and its leaders. This chapter begins to reveal the answer… 

Acts 4:1-2 (NLT) 1 While Peter and John were speaking to the people, they were confronted by the priests, the captain of the Temple guard, and some of the Sadducees. 2 These leaders were very disturbed that Peter and John were teaching the people that through Jesus there is a resurrection of the dead.

• Who did these guys think they were? Uneducated!!

Acts 4:3-4 (NLT) 3 They arrested them and, since it was already evening, put them in jail until morning. 4 But many of the people who heard their message believed it, so the number of men who believed now totaled about 5,000.

• Jesus: “I will build my church….” 

Acts 4:5-7 (NLT) 5 The next day the council of all the rulers and elders and teachers of religious law met in Jerusalem. 6 Annas the high priest was there, along with Caiaphas, John, Alexander, and other relatives of the high priest. 7 They brought in the two disciples and demanded, “By what power, or in whose name, have you done this?”

• Same as Jesus’ trial: Luke 20:2 (NLT) 2 They demanded, “By what authority are you doing all these things? Who gave you the right?”

Acts 4:8-10 (NLT) 8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers and elders of our people, 9 are we being questioned today because we’ve done a good deed for a crippled man? Do you want to know how he was healed? 10 Let me clearly state to all of you and to all the people of Israel that he was healed by the powerful name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, the man you crucified but whom God raised from the dead.

• Boldness to point people to Jesus
• But it gets even more bold…

Acts 4:11-12 (NLT) 11 For Jesus is the one referred to in the Scriptures, where it says, ‘The stone that you builders rejected has now become the cornerstone.’ 12 There is salvation in no one else! God has given no other name under heaven by which we must be saved.”

• Last chapter: Acts 3:22-23 (NLT) 22 Moses said, ‘The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from among your own people. Listen carefully to everything he tells you.’ 23 Then Moses said, ‘Anyone who will not listen to that Prophet will be completely cut off from God’s people.’
• We’re about to see this prophecy fulfilled in the religious leaders. They would be cut off, not the disciples!
• Notice the exclusive claim: salvation in no one else
• This would have been offensive to Jewish ears
• Blasphemous to the leaders’ ears
• (Pillar New Testament Commentary) Members of the Sanhedrin would have agreed that the God of Israel is humanity's only true saviour (cf. Ex. 15:1-11; Is. 43:11-12; 45:22; Ps. 96:1-5). But Peter now insists that the name of Jesus is the exclusive means by which God's saving power can be invoked and experienced.

Acts 4:13 (NLT) 13 The members of the council were amazed when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, for they could see that they were ordinary men with no special training in the Scriptures. They also recognized them as men who had been with Jesus.

• Irony: these guys were nobodies, and the educated guys were blown away by their understanding of the OT
• They had “been with Jesus”. That’s all the training they needed

Acts 4:16-18 (NLT) 16 “What should we do with these men?” they asked each other. “We can’t deny that they have performed a miraculous sign, and everybody in Jerusalem knows about it. 17 But to keep them from spreading their propaganda any further, we must warn them not to speak to anyone in Jesus’ name again.” 18 So they called the apostles back in and commanded them never again to speak or teach in the name of Jesus.

• This was their exercise of spiritual authority

Acts 4:19-20 (NLT) 19 But Peter and John replied, “Do you think God wants us to obey you rather than him? 20 We cannot stop telling about everything we have seen and heard.”

• This was the changing of the guard. Old Israel was done. New Israel had begun, led by a bunch of misfits and nobodies.
• Peter and John rejected their religious authorities, because those authorities rejected Jesus. 

So, When Should You Reject Spiritual Authority?

• Not talking about the Reformation, because the evangelical church at large doesn’t need that
• But it’s a “mini-reformation” question: when should you find a new church? 
• The answer is easy: when it corrupts any of the core teachings of the early church:
• Jesus is Lord (do they get Jesus right?)
• We are saved by grace (do they get salvation right?)
• We’re on a mission (do they get disciple-making right?)

Close with a challenge: think twice before you reject authority

• Too many people hop from church to church and lack authority
• Hebrews 13:17 Obey your spiritual leaders, and do what they say. Their work is to watch over your souls, and they are accountable to God. Give them reason to do this with joy and not with sorrow. That would certainly not be for your benefit.

Emotional intelligence (EQ) is crucial for successful relationships, including marriage. EQ is different from IQ and focuses on understanding and managing emotions, as well as understanding others. The five traits of EQ are self-awareness, self-regulation, motivation, empathy, and social skill. In this episode, Bryan and Tracy discuss the importance of EQ for a healthy marriage.

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In this bonus episode from the PursueGOD Family Podcast, Bryan and Tracy discuss the importance of understanding personality types in marriage and parenting. They focus on the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) as a framework for understanding different personality types. They explain that the purpose of understanding personality types is not to change the other person, but to gain insight into their strengths and weaknesses. They discuss the four main indicators of the MBTI: introvert vs. extrovert, sensor vs. intuitive, thinker vs. feeler, and judger vs. perceiver. They provide examples and personal anecdotes to illustrate how these indicators can impact relationships. They emphasize the importance of self-awareness and empathy in building healthy relationships.

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Notes

In this conversation we discuss the topic of spiritual gifts, specifically focusing on the gift of tongues. We explore the differences between the Mormon and Christian perspectives on spiritual gifts and how they are practiced. We also highlight the importance of aligning spiritual experiences with God's Word and the potential dangers of relying solely on feelings. Overall, we encourage listeners to seek a biblical understanding of spiritual gifts and to prioritize love and the edification of the body of Christ.

Find the official LDS Article of Faith at their website here. 

LDS: “We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.”

• AC: We believe in one true universal church, comprised of all who genuinely acknowledge the message of the gospel of God’s grace through Jesus Christ. This church, we believe, has many valid local expressions and denominations. God through the Holy Spirit equips every believer with spiritual gifts for the edification of the body of Christ. Mature believers recognize this and participate in God’s work alongside other followers of Christ. (1 Cor. 12:12; Eph. 1:22-23; Eph. 2:19-22; Phil. 1:1; Acts 2:42; Acts 1:8; Matt. 28:19-20; 1 Cor. 11:23-26).

Takeaways:

• Mormons view the gift of tongues as the ability to quickly learn a language for missionary work.
• Mormons believe in a wide range of spiritual gifts, but they are more focused on the authority of their leaders.
• There is a spectrum of beliefs among Christians regarding spiritual gifts, ranging from cessationism to pentecostal practices.
• Patriarchal blessings play a significant role in Mormonism, serving as personal scripture and recorded blessings that individuals are expected to live up to.
• A biblical understanding of spiritual gifts emphasizes the importance of love and the edification of the body of Christ.
• Relying solely on feelings can be misleading, and it is crucial to prioritize God's Word and the giver of the gifts over the gifts themselves.

Check out this LDS.org link for more on the Mormon view.

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Susan Malo grew up in Idaho, which she describes as an extension of Utah in terms of Mormonism. She had very limited exposure to non-Mormons, with only two non-Mormon friends in her childhood. Susan's family and community were deeply rooted in the Mormon faith, and she felt safe and connected in that environment. However, as she grew older, she began to question her beliefs and explore other perspectives. Susan's two older brothers left the Mormon Church, which had a significant impact on her understanding of her own eternal destiny. Susan's journey from Mormonism to Christianity was marked by questioning, doubt, and a search for truth. She found support and guidance from mentors and resources like Faith After Mormonism. Susan's husband played a significant role in helping her navigate her doubts and discover the true Jesus of the Bible. She emphasizes the importance of prayer, seeking out Bible-based churches, and not giving up on the journey. Susan's story is a testament to the power of the Holy Spirit and the transformative nature of encountering the Triune God.

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In this episode, Bryan and Tracy interview their own young adult children on growing up in Utah as non-LDS!

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Mormons believe in one Prophet and 12 Apostles, and they think they've got 'em. And the priesthood is their thing to pass along to boys as young as 12 years old! But what does the Bible say?

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Find the official LDS Article of Faith at their website here. 

LDS:“We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.”

• AC: We believe the Bible, composed of the sixty-six books of the Old and New Testaments, is inspired, authoritative, and infallible in its original manuscripts. It is, therefore, the only complete and final authority in faith and life. (2 Tim. 3:16-17; 2 Pet. 1:19-2; John 17:17; Romans 3:4; John 20:30-31; Matt. 24:35).

LDS:“We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.”

• AC: We believe in one true universal church, comprised of all who genuinely acknowledge the message of the gospel of God’s grace through Jesus Christ. This church, we believe, has many valid local expressions and denominations. God through the Holy Spirit equips every believer with spiritual gifts for the edification of the body of Christ. Mature believers recognize this and participate in God’s work alongside other followers of Christ. (1 Cor. 12:12; Eph. 1:22-23; Eph. 2:19-22; Phil. 1:1; Acts 2:42; Acts 1:8; Matt. 28:19-20; 1 Cor. 11:23-26).

No need for apostles

• Acts 1 (NLT) 21 “So now we must choose a replacement for Judas from among the men who were with us the entire time we were traveling with the Lord Jesus—22 from the time he was baptized by John until the day he was taken from us. Whoever is chosen will join us as a witness of Jesus’ resurrection.”
• Judas was replaced not because he died, but because he betrayed Jesus. When James died in chapter 12, the church did not replace him.
• Rev 4 (NLT) 2 And instantly I was in the Spirit, and I saw a throne in heaven and someone sitting on it. 3 The one sitting on the throne was as brilliant as gemstones—like jasper and carnelian. And the glow of an emerald circled his throne like a rainbow. 4 Twenty-four thrones surrounded him, and twenty-four elders sat on them. They were all clothed in white and had gold crowns on their heads.
• Rev 21:(NLT) 12 The city wall was broad and high, with twelve gates guarded by twelve angels. And the names of the twelve tribes of Israel were written on the gates. 13 There were three gates on each side—east, north, south, and west. 14 The wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were written the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
• (IVP Bible Background Commentary: New Testament, Second Edition) Jesus had made clear the continuity between the twelve tribes in the Old Testament and the first *apostles in the New Testament by his initial numbering of those apostles.
• Eph 2 (NLT) 20 Together, we are his house, built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets. And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself. 
• (Expositor's Bible Commentary: Abridged Edition (2 Volumes)) In 1Co 3:11 Paul calls Christ himself the foundation. Here, however, the apostles and prophets constitute the foundation as those who were closely associated with Christ in the establishment of the church. They were the witnesses of his resurrection appearances and the preachers of the good news. Filled with and guided by the Spirit, they had a unique role in establishing the church.