Virgo Season

Virgo Season

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Virgo Season episodes

  • You The Birthday

    Y’all, we have questions. About Trick Daddy. About Gemma. About the back of the earth. About all of it.
    This week we opened with AAVE expanding its lexicon (you the birthday — Ryan had NO idea), got into the looks maxing rabbit hole and why men doing things for the male gaze is a conversation that absolutely needs to be had, and then things escalated. Fast.
    The AITA segment goes three for three — including a woman who got her wedding friend group-chat invoiced, counter-sued, and somehow we still ended up talking about Judge Mathis. Then Trick Daddy performed at an AKA conference, said what he said, and someone’s gotta pay that man the rest of his money. We mean it. Somebody at that booking office absolutely knew what they were doing.
    Then we got real — the automatic military draft registration, the cost of a ribeye from Whole Foods, the dollar losing its grip, and Ryan saying out loud what a lot of us are thinking about the future. Plus: Melania’s unsolicited Epstein press conference, Kanye getting banned from an entire country, Usher deciding Chris Brown is his tour partner now, and Artemis 2 revealing that the earth is, in fact, booty butt naked in the back. We cannot make this up.
    Dad jokes closed us out. Respectfully, we peaked.
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    If you paid full price for either of those concerts and feel personally victimized, you know where to find us. Class action is being considered.Which topic hit for you the most?  Let us know in the comments
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    Connect With Us:
    Email: [email protected]
    Website: Virgoseasonshow.com
    YouTube, TikTok & Instagram: @VirgoSeasonShow
    Ryan: @OhBlackRyan
    Joyhdae: @Joyhdae
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    CHAPTERS
    00:00 — Intro00:05 — Opening Banter
    08:50 — The Rundown
    14:21 — AITA
    26:43 — Trick Daddy vs The AKAs
    35:07 — A Conversation About The State of the Country
    01:00:01 — Quick Hit: Melania Says Words
    01:02:12 — Quick Hit: Kan Ye Perform? Nope!
    01:04:03 — Quick Hit: R&B Tour
    01:05:51 — Quick Hit: ARTEMIS II Rant
    01:08:45 — Dad vs Auntie Jokes
    01:12:46 — Find Us On All The Things!
    01:13:39 — One More For The Road...
    01:14:10 — Outro

    1 hr 15 min
  • No Scrubs—Actually...

    Ryan opens out of pocket—it’s a mess, and it’s a great time.  Chili’s FEC records hit the internet and her defense was “I didn’t read the fine print” — from the woman who didn’t read the Pebbles contract. Brandy dropped her memoir, put Wanya Morris’ name in it, and the conversation about fast girls, who failed them, and where the real accountability lies goes somewhere real. Kristi Noem’s husband is out here doing something very specific on the internet. Nick Cannon tried to give a history lesson. And 12 tons of Formula One Kit Kats were stolen in Italy and nobody has a single answer.
    Dad jokes to close it out. As always.
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    Which topic hit for you the most?  Let us know in the comments
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    Ryan: @OhBlackRyan
    Joyhdae: @Joyhdae
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    CHAPTERS
    00:00 — Intro
    00:05 — Opening Banter
    02:08 — Quick Hit: Kristi Noem's Husband
    05:18 — Sabally Tell Joyhdae What Ryan's Talkin' 'Bout
    08:40 — The Rundown
    09:49 — Legal Advice
    19:13 — Kit Kat Heist
    24:26 — Ryan Needs Help!
    26:07 — Who's At Fault?
    27:04 — But Did You Get Your License Yet...?
    28:56 — A Conversation About Brandy's Memoir
    46:54 — Chilli, Nick Cannon, & Amber Rose's Politics
    57:28 — Dad vs Auntie Jokes
    01:01:47 — Find Us On All The Things!
    01:03:04 — One More For The Road...
    01:03:27 — Outro

    1 hr 4 min
  • Do The White Thing

    Ryan and Joyhdae reunite after a solo bonus episode, joking about Ryan’s unhinged moments and setting the week’s topics. They react to an “Am I the Asshole?” story where a man’s restaurant proposal ring is mistakenly delivered to another table. They discuss viral footage of 41-year-old Tommy Lee with Beyoncé’s 21-year-old nephew, Julez, criticizing the age gap and warning about consequences. They condemn Usher and Caresha for publicly defending or vouching for Diddy despite his conviction and other widely seen allegations. They praise Druski’s viral “conservative women” skit and the Grok AI misidentification tying it to Erica Kirk. They also argue over Jay-Z concert ticket chaos, then cover Jay-Z’s 2026 GQ interview. And, as always, they end with jokes.


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    If you’ve ever tried to buy concert tickets while actively employed — this episode is for you.
    Drop a comment:

    • Did Usher and Caresha owe the public more?

    • Was Druski’s skit too far — or not far enough?

    • Was the restaurant the real asshole in the AITA?
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    • Ryan: @OhBlackRyan
    • Joyhdae: @Joyhdae

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    CHAPTERS
    00:00 — Intro 

    00:05 — Opening Banter 

    05:12 — The Rundown 

    06:10 — AITA13:39 — Tommie & "Her" Julez 

    23:48 — Usher & Caresha Speak On Diddy

    32:34 — Druski's A White MAGA Woman

    39:13 — JAY-Z Tickets & Feature in GQ 

    01:00:33 — Dad vs Auntie Jokes 

    01:04:41 — Find Us On All The Things!

    01:05:51 — One More For The Road... 

    01:06:17 — Outro 

    1 hr 7 min
  • Blacker

    With Joyhdae away on the West Coast, Ryan delivers a solo Virgo Season episode, mourning and honoring Kiki Shepard’s legacy on Showtime at the Apollo and shouting out "Once-In-A-While" Virgo co-host Asia Golden. Ryan reacts to Shyne discussing  his and Ma$e's alleged overlap dating of Brandy, calling the public barbershop-style talk and Ray J’s response weird. He comments on rumors that Latto is pregnant and wishes her well, then jokes about going broke over Jay-Z’s two different Yankee Stadium shows plus the Roots Picnic, recalling past Beyoncé ticket stress. He touches on 50 Cent releasing a diss track with Max B, critiques Jamal Bryant’s claims about ending the Target boycott, questions Dwight Howard’s farewell tour, and says the A Different World return looks promising. He condemns the Rihanna house shooting suspect, calls for gatekeeping Black culture while criticizing Jack Harlow’s “blacker” comments, and vents about Oscars snubs, arguing Delroy deserved recognition over Sean Penn, topping it all off with a dad joke.  


    You're in for something special with this one!
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    If you’ve been here since the beginning, thank you. New here? You picked an unusual but a good one.
    Drop your take: How are you feeling about Jack Harlow right now?



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    • Email: [email protected]
    • Website: Virgoseasonshow.com
    • YouTube, TikTok & Instagram: @VirgoSeasonShow
    • Ryan: @OhBlackRyan
    • Joyhdae: @Joyhdae

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    We're grateful for your continued support.  We couldn't do it without you.  This show is a labor of love.  We thank you!
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    CHAPTERS
    00:00 — Intro 

    00:05 — Opening Banter 

    01:08 — Rest Up: Kiki Shepard 

    02:37 — It's Golden! 

    03:37 — How It's Going Down... 

    04:35 — A Triangle: Brandy, Ma$e, & Shyne 

    07:27 — Latto is Preggers 09:16 — JAŸ-Z Wants Violence 

    11:24 — 50 Cent... 

    11:35 — Jamal Bryant Walks It Back 

    13:11 — Dwight Howard's "Farewell" Tour 

    15:28 — A Different World — Ooh — Than Where You Come From! 

    15:45 — FAFO: We Don't Play 'Bout RiRi 

    17:04 — Jack Harlow Got "Blacker" 

    21:49 — Oscar Snub 24:08 — Dad Joke 

    24:37 — Find Us On All The Things! 

    25:12 — Inspirational Quote 

    25:39 — Outro

    26 min
  • Knocked TF Out!

    Four years in and we showed up. Barely rested, fully unfiltered, and apparently Joyhdae has officially broken up with ChatGPT for Claude.


    This episode had a week that did not miss. Egypt Criss got knocked out in round two by an Olympic gold medalist — and the chaos that followed was more entertaining than the fight itself. Rihanna’s house got shot at by a woman who drove cross-country in a white Tesla with an AR-15, and we ended up in a full conversation about gun laws and mental health. Dwight Howard’s wife went live holding what appeared to be a five-gallon bag of cocaine, wiped the residue on her own nose, and posted a selfie. And Jamal Bryant stood at a mic and announced — on behalf of all of us, apparently — that the Target boycott was over. Nobody asked him. Nobody asked.
    We also get into whether celebrity kids should be allowed to have careers, Zendaya possibly being married and choosing full Virgo silence about it, and Joyhdae’s dating app update that has Ryan spiritually exhausted.
    The dad jokes are still not going anywhere. Four years of evidence confirms this.



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    Segment Breakdown

    • Four Year Anniversary (Soft Launch) — The real celebration is still in production. For now: gratitude, chaos, and Ryan admitting he doesn’t check his DMs.
    • AITA — Me Time Is Non-Negotiable...She just wants a rotation. Her husband thinks guilt-tripping is a strategy. It is not.
    • Egypt Criss Gets Knocked Out — Round two. An Olympic TaeKwonDo medalist. Then the internet found an old song from Egypt’s husband. It went from sad to unhinged very quickly.
    • Rihanna’s House Was Shot At — A woman, an AR-15, months of online posts, and a cross-country drive. We’re not laughing — but we are talking about guns, mental health, and why none of this should have been possible.
    • Dwight Howard’s Wife Went Live — She had a bag. It was large. She wiped her hand on her nose. Royce Reed entered immediately.
    • Jamal Bryant Ended the Target Boycott — For himself. The original organizers said they’re still going. Joyhdae said show her the receipts. Ryan said put your DEI mouth where your money is.
    • Celebrity Kids — The Honest Conversation. Blue Ivy vs. Egypt Criss. Tracy Ellis Ross vs. Angela Simmons. North West is on notice.
    • Dad Jokes: Still Unretired — Four years. No shame. Slight escalation. Ryan’s wife submitted one. It was good.
    • Email: [email protected]
    • Website: Virgoseasonshow.com
    • YouTube, TikTok & Instagram: @VirgoSeasonShow
    • Ryan: @OhBlackRyan
    • Joyhdae: @Joyhdae



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    If you’ve been here since the beginning, thank you. New here? You picked a chaotic week and we respect it.

    Drop your take: Was Jamal Bryant paid or just wrong?



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    CHAPTERS
    00:00 — Intro
    00:05 — Opening Banter & Random Shenanigans
    14:55 — The Rundown
    15:51 — Am I The Asshole?
    20:38 — AITA Sidebar: Making Space To Date
    26:50 — Egypt Criss Got Knocked TF Out!
    34:45 — The Pressure of Being A Celebrity's Child
    41:42 — Did Zendaya Get Married?
    44:44 — Shooting at Rihanna's Home
    50:20 — Dwight Howard & Amy Luciani Are "In Their Bag..."
    57:08 — Jamal Bryant "Ends" Target Boycott
    01:06:44 — Dad vs Auntie Jokes
    01:10:38 — Find Us On All The Things!
    01:11:41 — One More For The Road...
    01:12:36 — Outro

    1 hr 13 min
  • Neurodivergent

    Ryan showed up running on fumes. Joyhdae’s dishwasher is broken. And somehow this became one of the most honest conversations about brains, the internet lying to you, and the world doing entirely too much.
    We got to the topics. Eventually.
    This week: the internet convinced itself Jim Carrey was replaced. The US and Israel did something that has the entire Middle East on alert and Ryan wants everyone to know WE are not involved. And there’s a trend of men leaving their girlfriends on mountains. Literal mountains. With real consequences.
    Ryan is writing a movie. Joyhdae is on chapter seven of her book…this is what happens when two neurodivergent people are left unsupervised..
    Somewhere between chaos and clarity — that’s where Virgo Season lives.



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    Segment Breakdown

    • This or That — Started with scented candles. Ended somewhere near an existential crisis. Classic.
    • Am I The Asshole? — He had a problem with his girlfriend. Said nothing to the actual problem. We had thoughts.
    • Jim Carrey & The Conspiracy That Wasn’t — The real story behind the photos everyone was losing their minds over.
    • The World Right Now — We didn’t want to go here. We had to. Ryan has a disclaimer.
    • Alpine Divorce — Men are leaving women on mountains and a court just made an example out of one of them.
    • Dad vs Auntie Jokes — The nine volt battery joke. You’ve been warned.



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    Anniversary is coming — Ryan needs your videos. 15-20 seconds. He’s been asking. Joyhdae will ugly-cry over it and Ryan will make it the thumbnail. [email protected]



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    • Joyhdae: @Joyhdae


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    We're grateful for your continued support.  We couldn't do it without you.  This show is a labor of love.  We thank you!
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    CHAPTERS
    00:00 — Intro
    00:05 — Opening Banter
    14:19 — This or That?!
    34:25 — AITA?
    41:00 — The Rundown
    41:47 — Jim Carrey's Face
    49:48 — Trump Starts A War
    59:57 — Alpine Divorce
    01:06:05 — Dad vs Auntie Jokes
    01:08:46 — Find Us On All The Things!
    01:09:11 — CTA: We Need Your Help...
    01:10:49 — Find Us On All The Things! (cont'd)
    01:11:10 — One More For The Road...
    01:11:34 — Outro

    1 hr 12 min
  • Two Quarters

    Joyhdae and Ryan are back with one of their most layered episodes yet — and they’re not letting 2026 slide.
    This week the conversation goes deep on the BAFTA incident that had everyone talking: a man with Tourette syndrome shouted a racial slur at Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Lindo live on air — and the BBC chose not to edit it out. Joyhdae and Ryan unpack the tension between disability, racial harm, and institutional accountability, and why the BBC’s excuse doesn’t hold up.
    Then it’s onto the TI vs. 50 Cent rap beef that has the whole internet in a chokehold — Domani’s bars, Tiny staying unbothered, and why Curtis is out here battling the dictionary, an encyclopedia, and Urban Dictionary all at once.
    Plus: My Strange Addiction is back, and somehow the 2026 season finale featured a woman in a full romantic relationship with an AI chatbot named Sinclair who speaks in an Irish accent, books her tattoo appointments, and apparently satisfies her better than any man she’s ever been with. We need to talk about this.
    And the AITA of the week? A man whose wife screened their private sex tape at girls’ night — and then tried to “apologize” by initiating sex. Yeah.
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    Segment Breakdown
    Am I the Asshole?

    • Relationship trust & privacy

    BAFTA 2026 N-word incident

    • Tourette syndrome & racial harm

    TI vs 50 Cent rap beef 2026

    • 50 made it personal and the entire family got activated.

    My Strange Addiction 2026

    • A Human in a romantic relationship with an AI

    Dad vs Auntie Jokes

    • Joyhdae & Ryan go joke for joke, trying to one up the other


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    CHAPTERS
    00:00 — Intro
    00:05 — Opening Remarks
    07:10 — The Rundown
    08:10 — AITA
    17:50 — The BAFTA Moment
    35:09 — TI vs 50 Cent Rap Beef
    46:07 — Commentary: My Strange Addiction Revival
    55:32 — Dad vs Auntie Jokes
    59:45 — Find Us On All The Things!
    01:01:35 — One More For The Road...
    01:02:35 — Outro

    1 hr 3 min
  • Chapped Lips

    Hey Framily!
    Welcome back to Virgo Season — where pop culture gets processed properly and personal decisions get respectfully interrogated.
    This week? Absolute chaos.
    Bad Bunny turned the Super Bowl into a cultural moment, a political statement, and a full Spanish-language flex — and somehow people are shocked that a Puerto Rican artist spoke Spanish. Benito said what he said, waved every flag, and let the numbers speak for themselves.
    Meanwhile, Cardi B told Stefon Diggs “good luck”… and that man proceeded to lose the Super Bowl and the relationship in the same week. The universe does have a sense of humor.
    We also get into:
    • Why grown men are still beefing on commercial flights
    • Why soap is NOT optional (and yes, we’re judging)
    • Why everyone thinks they deserve a halftime show
    • And there’s an update on Joyhdae’s dating life… which Ryan believes is a terrible idea
    Yes. He’s concerned. Deeply.
    Somewhere between chaos and clarity — that’s where Virgo Season lives.
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    This Week’s Breakdown
    Benito Bowl: Bad Bunny’s Super Bowl Takeover
    First Latino solo headliner.
    Full Spanish set.
    Puerto Rican symbolism.
    Political undertones.
    And certain people spiraling because the show wasn’t centered around them.
    We break down why it mattered — and why it hit.
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    Cardi B & Stefon Diggs: “Good Luck” Energy
    She kept it cute.
    The internet did not.
    We talk breakup timing, karma discourse, and Cardi launching a haircare line while everybody else is still arguing online.
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    Am I Overreacting: The Soap Situation
    If your partner says soap is optional…
    If he says hot water is enough…
    If he blames “cultural differences” for hygiene…
    We have thoughts. Strong ones.
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    Ja Rule vs. Tony Yayo (In Coach.)
    You’re grown.
    You’re allegedly rich.
    You’re throwing pillows on Delta.
    We unpack the cornball energy.
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    Joyhdae’s Dating Update
    There’s an update.
    Ryan thinks it’s a setup.
    Joyhdae thinks it’s character development.
    The debate gets… spirited.
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    This or That Is Back
    Risk it all or play it safe?
    Rewind life or hit pause?
    Knowledge or creativity?
    Cookies or cake?
    It got philosophical. Then petty. Then philosophical again.

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    Join The Conversation

    Was Bad Bunny’s halftime show iconic or “too political”?
    Is soap ever optional? (Choose wisely.)
    Is Ryan right about Joyhdae’s dating life?
    Drop your thoughts in the comments — we actually read them.
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    CHAPTERS


    00:00 — Intro

    00:05 — First & Foremost

    11:51 — The Rundown

    12:49 — This or That

    29:31 — Am I Overreacting?

    38:38 — Ad Break

    38:43 — Benito Bowl

    55:19 — Good Luck: Cardi B, Stefon Diggs Drama

    58:07 — Mile High Beef: Ja Rule, Tony Yayo, Uncle Murda

    01:01:06 — Joyhdae's "Ready To Date"

    01:06:45 — Ad Break

    01:06:54 — Dad vs Auntie Jokes

    01:11:35 — Find Us On All The Things!

    01:13:22 — One More For The Road...

    01:13:51 — Outro

    1 hr 15 min
  • Ape•ish

    The groundhog predicted six more weeks of winter… then died. Billionaires are being exposed in real time. And people think making it out means you owe your entire family forever.


    Joyhdae and Ryan break down the chaos — from Grammy history-making wins and Epstein file fallout to family entitlement, missing persons, and the internet’s favorite delusions — with zero coddling and maximum honesty. This episode of Virgo Season is pop culture, politics, and real-life conversations colliding exactly where they’re supposed to.
    If you’re tired of soft takes, selective outrage, and people counting money they didn’t earn, press play.
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    Episode Breakdown
    Groundhog Day, Frozen Hell & Are We in a Simulation?
    Six more weeks of winter, a dead groundhog, iguanas falling from trees, and Florida turning into a sci-fi movie. Joyhdae and Ryan start the episode questioning whether we’ve slipped into an alternate dimension — or if this is just America doing what it does best.
    Family Entitlement & Financial Boundaries (AITA Segment)
    Inspired by real-life celebrity drama, the hosts tackle one big question: If you become successful, do you owe your entire family financial support forever? From pocket-watching to public shaming, this conversation gets honest, personal, and uncomfortably real.
    Epstein Files, Billionaire Lies & Political Hypocrisy
    New Epstein file revelations have people scrambling. Elon Musk, Bill Gates, and powerful institutions come under scrutiny as Joyhdae and Ryan separate facts from distractions — and ask why accountability always feels optional for the wealthy.
    Grammys Recap: Wins, Side-Eyes & Cultural Moments
    The Grammys were undeniably Black this year. From historic wins by Bad Bunny and Kendrick Lamar, to standout performances, awkward moments, and internet outrage, the hosts give their unfiltered take on music’s biggest night.
    Missing Persons, Media Silence & “What Is Happening?”
    Joyhdae and Ryan react to disturbing stories involving missing family members of public figures and question how quickly serious situations get buried in the news cycle.
    Internet Chaos, Bug Chasing & Please Log Off
    From dangerous subcultures to viral oversharing, this segment is a reminder that not everything needs to be explained — and some people desperately need to be stopped.
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    Let’s Talk About It

    Does success automatically make you responsible for everyone around you?
    Who actually deserved their Grammy wins?
    And are we being gaslit by billionaires in real time?
    Sound off in the comments — respectfully… or not.
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    CHAPTERS


    00:00 — Six More Weeks, Then...
    04:18 — The Rundown & Presidential Racism
    11:24 — AITA: Family Financial Boundaries
    23:23 — Epstein Files & Billionaire Lies
    39:50 — Savannah Guthrie's Mother
    42:06 — Lil Jon's Missing Son
    44:10 — Super Bowl Halftime Show
    46:37 — Bug Chasing: A Dangerous Subculture
    53:38 — Grammy Highlights
    01:04:59 — Dad vs Auntie Jokes
    01:09:12 — Find Us On All The Things!
    01:11:16 — One More For The Road...

    1 hr 13 min

About Virgo Season

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What's better than one Virgo? That's easy, two Virgos with a lot to say. Virgo Season is an ongoing conversation between friends covering everything from culture to life as a married man (Ryan) and…

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