I am not against training tools at all, I just choose which ones I prefer to use as they are most effective for results and for owner success. choke chains though are interesting as a choice for an owner with minimal skills, as they CHOKE the dog, same with slip leads with both an untrained dog and handler they choke, so why are folks not up in arms about them, i mean think about it, dogs at Westminster are on choke chains (why no uproar), AKC allows them but not prong collars, interesting isn\'t it.