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Today’s interview is a casual and relaxed conversation, as I sit down with my co-host, David Bilbrey, and turn the mic towards him to discuss what brought him to permaculture and the ideas that influence how he sees the world. We touch on the work of Ken Wilber and Integral Theory, what community can mean in an internet-connected age, how podcasts make the world smaller as we hear from people we might not encounter otherwise, and the importance of sitting down to listen to a conversation between two people.