Matt + Bowen finally welcome a true icon in the Las Cultch lore, Demi Lovato, to the podcast! The artist with the #1 song on the Great Global Songbook joins the boys after a culture catchup to discuss what is driving her new sound, working with manager Brandon Creed, figuring huge Demi vocals into hard electronic production, and honesty as a constant throughline in her work. Also, Kelly Clarkson on American Idol and her formative impact on Demi Lovato as a young singer, smiling vs. serving, and Demi's sister Madison's performance as Juanita Solis in Desperate Housewives. All this, grinding with Sabrina Carpenter, Alexander Skaarsgard's recent gay fashion, thoughts on The Life of a Showgirl, the rise of Olivia Dean, Wendy Osefo's recent arrest, the return of pumpkin spice and even more litigation of the Song of the Summer 2025. This episode goes fast, loves to kiss and will be here all night. We truly love Demi. Stream It's Not That Deep on October 24th!

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