Hosted by Sonita Mbah. Produced by J'aime Rothbard.
When Rita Maria Brown's daughter was three years old, they were playing in a garden in her native Brazil when an older girl approached Rita and asked: 'Do you hit her?'
"Her words went straight to my heart. I'll never forget that moment," Rita says. "And it was like time slowed down and I felt the weight of that question in my own nervous system because of my history with domestic violence, but also what that question meant to her."
In this episode, Rita shares this powerful anecdote to illustrate how wounds from the undigested past of colonialism and dictatorship live on in our minds, bodies and relationships, cascading down through family systems over generations until these frozen layers can finally be witnessed and felt.
In 2024, Rita joined Shayla Wright and Jo Hardy to offer a year-long Pocket Project Integration Lab called Pathways to a Decolonized Future: Exploring the Ongoing Impact of Colonization and How We Can Begin to Heal. (For their report on the Lab, please click here).
The process supported participants to firstly recognise how past oppression shapes our present reality and then, in Shayla's words, to shed the "skins" of colonisation and "really claim a way of being that is so much more fluid and free and playful."
"Sometimes, the heartbreak is hard to be with," Shayla adds. "But it's also such beautiful medicine to be able to stay with that heartbreak."
Rita shares from her own experience of growing up under military dictatorship in Brazil, migrating to the United States, and her recent return to her homeland after 25 years. That arrival has brought her into renewed contact with the pall cast by unjust structures that denied people "the possibility to dream."
In a legacy of colonial-era practices, both Rita's mother and grandmother were forced to work as child labourers. The conditions they suffered instilled in them such a rushed pace of life that Rita never heard either of them tell stories.
"This is also very close to my heart because of being born in a dictatorship and living in military bases and growing up with that suppression and silence and controlling energy," Rita tells co-host Sonita Mbah.
Rita and Shayla reflect on lessons they learned while running the Lab – including how strongly participants desired as much time as possible to share and listen to each others' experiences.
They also reveal how their collaboration changed them as people. As Shayla says of Rita: "I'm not the same person that I was before I became close to her."
With the annual carnival transforming the streets of Rio de Janeiro this week, Rita explains how the festivities provide opportunities for a creative form of confrontation with Brazil's shadows as millions of carnival-goers experience a sense of shared coherence and well-being on the city streets.
This moving conversation will be a potent resource for anybody seeking new perspectives on what it means to heal the inter-generational trauma caused by colonisation and learn from inspiring women committed to working with this collective wound.
"It's a radical process and I tend to think of it more and more as almost an initiatory process," Shayla says. "It asks us to come out the other side a different person than when we went in."
Integration Labs 2026: Applications Open
The Pocket Project is offering more than 40 Integration Labs in 2026, each dedicated to exploring and addressing specific dimensions of ancestral and collective trauma. To access a complete list of the Labs and to apply to participate, click here.
Further Resources:
Rita Maria Brown on LinkedIn
Intro to Shayla's work: Wide Awake Heart |
Shayla's Substack: You, Me and the Living World
Shalya's Twitter
A report on Rita and Shayla's Lab Pathways to a Decolonized Future
Pocket Pocket Integration Labs 2026
Films Mentioned:
I'm Still Here
The Secret Agent
About Rita Maria Brown:
Rita was born within the vibrant Afro-Brazilian culture, has lived across the United States and in the Netherlands and speaks Portuguese and English. Her work combines over 12 years of experience as a certified developmental coach,advanced studies in Somatic Experiencing, and a commitment to serve diverse populations.
She has a M.A. in Social Justice in Intercultural Relations and a M.A. in Marriage & Family Therapy. For the past ten years, at the University of California, Berkeley, she teaches an intercultural course and coaches visiting scholars, international postdocs, researchers, and their spouses and partners supporting them navigate the effects of culture shock, and its impact on the nervous system, during international transitions. She integrates psychoeducation into this work sharing a variety of self-regulation practices and resources for grounding, connection, and more vitality.
As a certified Integral Master Coach™, she is currently part of a team at Spring Strategies coaching individuals and groups of social and climate justice leadersworldwide. Her offers support human development, somatic awareness and mental health education. Rita studies Mystical Principals and the Collective Trauma Integration Process with Thomas Hübl and is part of the assistant team.
About Shayla Wright:
Shayla Wright has studied and worked internationally for 35 years as a mediator, depth coach, somatic therapist and group/ritual facilitator. She guides people in a whole ecology of practices connected with transforming our human culture: soul support, individual and collective trauma work, ancestral healing, and relational healing and integration. Her current focus is on the integration of spiritual practice, deep inner transformation, and healing systemic oppression.