This week, Thomas sits down with the CEO of Mobius Executive Leadership, Amy Elizabeth Fox, for a conversation about bringing trauma-informed wisdom and embodied presence into leadership, organizations, coaching, and consulting work.

They discuss how traditional coaching and leadership development are inadequate for increasingly chaotic times, where unresolved personal and collective trauma create unhealthy environments that lack resilience.

Thomas and Amy offer tools and practices for down-regulating stress, creating psychological safety, and fostering a workplace rooted in deep connection and belonging—where creativity drives progress instead of fear.

They also discuss Amy’s new book co-authored with Nicholas Janni, Leading in Chaos, which you can learn about in more detail below.

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Join Thomas and Amy on March 31 for a free, live, online event -✨When Chaos is the Context: Bringing a Trauma-Informed Approach to Coaching & Consulting ✨

They'll explore how to recognize and work with the underlying dynamics that shape behavior and culture in organizations to bring greater depth and impact to your work.

Register for free here 👉https://traumainformedcertificateprogram.com/event

✨ Leading in Chaos: Available for Pre-Order

Amy Elizabeth Fox and Nicholas Janni, dear friends and students of Thomas, are publishing Leading in Chaos, arguing that what’s required in today's world is not better tools or frameworks, but “next practice” — a trauma-informed approach to leadership as an embodied, developmental practice.

Pre-order the book and read the sample chapter here 👉 https://leadinginchaosbook.com/

✨ Amy Elizabeth Fox is the Co-founder and the Chief Executive Officer of Mobius Executive Leadership, a global transformational leadership firm. For more than twenty years, she has advised senior leaders and organizations on leadership development, culture change, and organizational transformation. Amy regularly leads intensive multi-day leadership programs for senior executives and public sector leaders and is widely recognized for her work integrating trauma-informed development and psycho-spiritual principles into leadership education.

Connect with Amy here 👉 https://www.mobiusleadership.com

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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This week, Thomas sits down with celebrated speaker, posthumanist thinker, poet, teacher, and author, Bayo Akomolafe, for a philosophical and spiritual exploration into how we understand reality and the radical perception shifts and awakenings that are necessary for true social transformation to become possible.

In his uniquely poetic way, Bayo interrogates traditional solutions to social and ecological problems that only uphold harmful norms, and offers that real change is brought about through what he calls “cracks”—disruptions to systems and modes of thinking that inspire new ideas instead of trying to bring about change via the ineffective paths that are already built into our failing social structures.

He and Thomas discuss the discomfort that comes with ushering in new realities, and how important it is that we lean in to this uncomfortable uncertainty, embrace radical compassion, and rethink our relationship to the more-than-human world.

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✨ Bayo Akomolafe is a widely celebrated international speaker, posthumanist thinker, poet, teacher, public intellectual, essayist, and author of books including These Wilds Beyond our Fences: Letters to My Daughter on Humanity’s Search for Home and We Will Tell our Own Story: The Lions of Africa Speak. Bayo is the founder of The Emergence Network and host of the online post-activist course, ‘We Will Dance with Mountains’. He currently lectures at Pacifica Graduate Institute, California, and the University of Vermont, Burlington, Vermont.

Connect with Bayo here: 👉 https://bayoakomolafe.net

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:

👉 https://www.releasingourburdens.com

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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This week, Thomas sits down with speaker and renowned author of “Wild,” Cheryl Strayed, for a conversation on the profound healing power of writing and creating, the catharsis of truth-telling, and the importance of physical embodiment in trauma recovery.

Cheryl shares how grief and trauma left her feeling isolated, and describes her difficult but meaningful journey to healing through community connection. By writing about her life and daring to share her deepest wounds, she found that she was not alone in her struggles, and in fact, none of us ever truly are.

She and Thomas discuss how authentic connection can inspire collective compassion and healing, and how art and storytelling have the ability to transform culture by illuminating universal truths.

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✨ Cheryl Strayed is the author of the #1 New York Times bestseller Wild: From Lost to Found on the Pacific Crest Trail, which was adapted into an Oscar-nominated film. Her other books include Tiny Beautiful Things, Torch, and Brave Enough. Her work has appeared in The Best American Essays, The New York Times, and Vogue, among others. Also a podcast host and playwright, Strayed lives in Portland, Oregon.

Connect with Matthew here 👉 https://www.cherylstrayed.com

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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This week, Thomas sits down with one of our favorite frequent guests; journalist and co-host of the “What is Collective Healing?” podcast, Matthew Green, to explore the profound synergy between spiritual awakening, ethical living, and trauma healing, and how these pursuits converge on the journey of life.

They discuss how the "social mirror" of community helps us integrate spiritual insights, why it’s so important to meet pain with love, and why moral development requires us to get to the root causes of social issues instead of coming at problems from the top down.

It’s a fascinating conversation if you’re interested in what it looks like to integrate our personal and collective shadows, and what paths are available for us to move toward collective awakening and healing.

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✨ Matthew Green is a journalist and co-host of the “What Is Collective Healing?” podcast. He worked as a correspondent for the Financial Times and Reuters, and is the author of Aftershock, a book documenting the trauma healing journeys of British veterans. He serves as global investigations editor at DeSmog and is a graduate of Thomas Hubl’s Timeless Wisdom Training. He’s the creator of the Resonant World newsletter and the co-founder of the Resonant Man initiative.

Connect with Matthew here 👉 https://matthewgreenglobal.substack.com

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:

👉 https://www.releasingourburdens.com

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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This week, Thomas sits down with acclaimed essayist, author, and speaker Pico Iyer to discuss travel and writing as meditative practices, the spiritual power of stillness and quiet, and how creative work generates a sense of agency in a chaotic world.

Pico shares incredible anecdotes from his international travels, many monastic retreats, decades of journeys with the Dalai Lama, and intimate time spent with beloved musician and Buddhist Leonard Cohen.

It’s an uplifting conversation on how to pull inspiration from impermanence and see personal challenges as opportunities for transformation and liberation.

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✨ Pico Iyer is the author of 17 books of fiction and nonfiction, translated into 23 languages, on subjects ranging from globalism and mysticism to the Dalai Lama. He is a longtime essayist for Time, The New York Times, and over 250 publications worldwide. Born in Oxford to Indian parents, he was educated at Eton, Oxford, and Harvard, and has lived in Japan since 1987.

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:

👉 https://www.releasingourburdens.com

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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This week, Thomas shares a teaching on how to become intimate with your authentic inner self, what causes us to distance ourselves from presence and self-acceptance, and why it’s actually counterproductive to strive towards an “ideal” or “perfect” self.

Tune in for a spiritual perspective on understanding your triggers, embracing discomfort, and transforming stagnation into opportunity for new choices. It’s an important teaching for anyone working to get themselves unstuck from past patterns and limiting beliefs.

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✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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This week, Thomas sits down with beloved spiritual teacher and author Jack Kornfield to explore the important and often undervalued spiritual role of the elder, the transformative power of storytelling, and why we should approach our own suffering with love instead of fear.

Jack shares some beautiful, poignant stories from his new book, All in This Together, that illustrate how small acts of compassion have a profound ripple effect on our shared consciousness, and how important it is to radically honor each individual’s inherent freedom and dignity… even when we feel we have little in common.

He and Thomas weave together their understanding of trauma healing, meditation, and social transformation to share a hopeful roadmap to collective healing as we undergo a critical, but difficult, period of transition and unrest.

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✨ Jack Kornfield is a trained Buddhist monk with a Ph.D. in clinical psychology and is a founding teacher of the Insight Meditation Society in Massachusetts and Spirit Rock Meditation Center in California. He is one of the key teachers to introduce mindfulness practice to the West, has taught internationally since 1974, and is the author of 16 books, which have sold 2 million copies.

Connect with Jack here:

👉 https://jackkornfield.com

Order Jack's new book, All In This Together: Stories and Teachings for Loving Each Other and Our World, here:

👉 https://jackkornfield.com/all-in-this-together-stories-and-teachings-for-loving-each-other-and-our-world/

✨ Order Thomas and Internal Family Systems founder Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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This week, Thomas sits down with law professor and Director of the Othering and Belonging Institute, john a. powell, for a deep examination of humans’ tendency to become divided, and how the narratives we construct around fearing other groups are actually a symptom of our fundamental drive for connection.

They explore how our capacity for connection and community, driven by culture and storytelling, can produce divisiveness, and how we can use these same capacities to increase our empathy for suffering, deepen our embodiment, and overcome the fear, anxiety, and disconnect that result from collective trauma.

This is a deep dive into the social and cultural drivers of disconnection, and an inspiring look at how we can tap into our spiritual and ancestral resources to bridge the divides that keep us stuck repeating the harmful patterns of the past.

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✨ john a. powell is Director of the Othering and Belonging Institute and Professor of Law, African American, and Ethnic Studies at UC Berkeley. He has led institutes focused on race and poverty at Ohio State and the University of Minnesota, and formerly served as National Legal Director of the ACLU. A co-founder of the Poverty & Race Research Action Council, he is known for developing frameworks of “targeted universalism” and “othering and belonging” to effect equity-based interventions.

Connect with john here:

👉 https://belonging.berkeley.edu

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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This week, Thomas is joined once again by journalist and co-host of the “What is Collective Healing?” podcast, Matthew Green, for a conversation exploring the idea of “global acupuncture.”

So what is global acupuncture?

It’s an approach to collective global healing that leverages our power as connected, social beings to skillfully address the roots of collective trauma at the most critical pressure points in our cultures and societies.

Thomas and Matthew discuss how humanity can transition from "adolescence" into mature citizenship by taking ownership of our shared history and integrating the "frozen" past stored within our collective nervous system. They share their hopes that, using these tools, we can turn a world of crisis into a place of global flourishing.

✨ Watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:

👉 https://youtu.be/_Dq3sMVNPk4

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✨ Order Thomas and Dr. Richard Schwartz's co-authored book, Releasing Our Burdens, here:

👉 https://www.releasingourburdens.com

✨ Matthew Green is a journalist and co-host of the “What Is Collective Healing?” podcast. He worked as a correspondent for the Financial Times and Reuters, and is the author of Aftershock, a book documenting the trauma healing journeys of British veterans. He serves as global investigations editor at DeSmog and is a graduate of Thomas Hubl’s Timeless Wisdom Training. He’s the creator of the Resonant World newsletter and the co-founder of the Resonant Man initiative.

Connect with Matthew here:

👉 https://matthewgreenglobal.substack.com

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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This week, we revisit an early episode where Thomas explores the concept of Transparent Communication, a practice that creates an open and grounded relational space where constructive and creative communication can occur. He explains that this form of communication combines the interconnected data streams of cognitive, emotional, and physical information that are always present in any conversation.

When we become attuned to these transmissions from others' nervous systems, and are consciously creating coherent transmissions from our own, we can establish a deep connection that's rich in intimacy and free from reactivity.

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If you enjoy this episode and want to dive deeper into this topic...

✨ On January 31, join Thomas’ authorized instructors Eva Giedt and Rae Riedel for a special 2-day online workshop on Transparent Communication. You’ll learn practices to support fresh, emergent conversations where new ways of being together and perception arise, and guidance on how to apply these principles in your everyday life.

Whether you’re new to Thomas’ work or are undergoing advanced studies with him, we hope you’ll join us.

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👉 https://www.transparent-communication.com/workshop

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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