Thomas Hübl and NYT bestselling author and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, Elise Loehnen, explore the nature of shadow, evil, and collective trauma from a mystical and spiritual perspective. 

They discuss the impact of unprocessed pain and ancestral wounds, the obstacles we face as we work to integrate our individual and collective shadows, and the challenges (and benefits) of staying present in a world shaped by both light and darkness. 

Elise poses profound questions about the moral qualities of evil, while Thomas offers insights into the interconnectedness of the human experience and what it means to take responsibility—both for your own actions, and for harms perpetrated by others that you have unwittingly benefitted from.

✨ Join us for a FREE, LIVE EVENT: Your Path to Renewal - How to Ground Your Body, Calm Your Mind, and Open Your Heart. 

Together with our global community, Thomas will explore how to reconnect with our inner wisdom, restore balance, and rediscover a sense of creativity and freedom—even in life’s most challenging moments. 

Sunday, February 2, 2025 @ 11:30 am Los Angeles / 2:30 pm New York

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Elise Loehnen is a New York Times bestselling author and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, where she interviews cultural luminaries about the big questions of today. She’s the author of the New York Times bestselling On Our Best Behavior: The Seven Deadly Sins and the Price Women Pay to be Good. She has also co-written 12 books, including five New York Times Best Sellers. Previously, she was the chief content officer of goop. While there, Elise co-hosted The goop Podcast and The goop Lab on Netflix, and led the brand’s content strategy and programming. For the podcast, she interviewed 100’s of thought leaders, doctors, and experts. 

Prior to goop, she was the editorial projects director of Conde Nast Traveler. Before Traveler, she was the editor at large and deputy editor of Lucky Magazine, where she also served as the on-air spokesperson, appearing regularly on shows like Today, E!, Good Morning America, and The Early Show.  She has a B.A. from Yale and majored in English and Fine Arts. These days, she serves on two boards (Jeni’s Splendid Ice Creams and Skinfix), advises a beauty bio-tech start-up (Arcaea), and spends her time writing, reading, and fundraising for causes and politicians focused on environmental action, social justice, women and children’s health, and a more equitable world.

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👉 https://eliseloehnen.com  

👉 https://eliseloehnen.substack.com  

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here:

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Thomas reads a short passage from the Tao Te Ching and shares spiritual practices and conceptual tools to help you let go of unhelpful ideas you’re clinging to and create spaciousness in your mind and body.

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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Thomas is joined by Dr. Shefali, a clinical psychologist, bestselling author, and host of the Parenting & You podcast. Dr. Shefali is an expert on “Conscious Parenting,” an approach to raising children that focuses on the need for parents to identify and heal from their own traumas—especially childhood traumas—so that they don’t pass on harmful patterns and behaviors to their kids.

She and Thomas discuss the importance of creating emotional safety in parent-child relationships (and all relationships) in order to create an environment where a child, friend, or partner can be their authentic self. They also cover how to identify triggers and how being in touch with your physical body allows you to be more in touch with your emotions.

Dr. Shefali stresses that sometimes growth requires a level of discomfort, and a relinquishing of control, but doing the hard work of becoming more present and self-aware is the best thing you can do for your children.

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Dr. Shefali is a New York Times bestselling author of books on conscious living and mindful living. She is the founder of the amazing Conscious Parenting and Life Coaching Institute, where she trains coaches to use her method and to help others. Dr. Shefali has her own podcast called Parenting & You With Dr. Shefali, which is available everywhere podcasts are heard.

✨ Connect with Dr. Shefali here:

👉 https://www.drshefali.com/ 

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

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✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here:

👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ 

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Thomas is joined by Tamala Floyd, a psychotherapist, IFS lead trainer, speaker, and the author of “Listening When Parts Speak: A Practical Guide to Healing with Internal Family Systems Therapy and Ancestor Wisdom.”

They discuss the relationship between the “Self” and the multiple “parts” of the self in Internal Family Systems work, and how understanding and integrating our protective parts helps us heal past traumas and establish a stronger relationship with our innate, inner selves.

Tamala shares wisdom on ancestral healing, explaining how intergenerational trauma work supports IFS work, and helps us to free ourselves from patterns and behaviors that don’t serve us. She and Thomas also explore the concept of “legacy burdens”—wounds and harms that we’ve inherited from our ancestors or our culture that impact our lives—and how we can learn to release them.

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Tamala Floyd is a psychotherapist, author, IFS lead trainer, consultant, and retreat leader with over 25 years of experience. Her latest book, "Listening When Parts Speak: A Practical Guide to Healing with Internal Family Systems Therapy and Ancestor Wisdom," focuses on healing personal and generational trauma.

✨ Connect with Tamala here:

👉 https://tamalafloyd.com

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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Thomas Hübl is joined by renowned storyteller, author, and scholar of mythology, Michael Meade. They discuss transformation as an essential element of life, and how embracing radical transformation—both personally and as a collective—allows us to get in touch with our deeper selves.

Michael draws on his knowledge of ancient rites of passage, mythology, and initiation rituals to help define the liminal space humanity finds itself in right now. As we stand on a cultural and environmental threshold, we have a choice: either let go of our egos and open our wounds to be cleansed and healed, or resist change and remain disconnected from life, death, and nature itself.

He and Thomas also explore what it means to be an elder across different cultures, how seemingly apocalyptic turmoil is really a lifting of the veil, and the divine value of stepping into the unknown.

✨ NEW Self-Paced Course from Thomas Hübl: Navigating the Levels of Trauma Healing ✨

A 6-module online training to manage anxiety, overwhelm, and nervous system dysregulation during times of accelerated change and disruption. Explore a new paradigm to move fluidly between different types of trauma healing and learn new tools and approaches to better manage and integrate what is occurring both personally and collectively.

For a limited time, you’ll receive a $100 discount on course tuition when you register via this special link:

👉 https://www.navigatingthelevelsoftrauma.com/podcast

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Michael Meade D.H.L., is a renowned storyteller, author, and scholar of mythology, anthropology, and psychology. He combines hypnotic storytelling, street-savvy perceptiveness, and spellbinding interpretations of ancient myths with a deep knowledge of cross-cultural rituals. He is the creator of the Living Myth Podcast, and the founder of Mosaic Multicultural Foundation, a nonprofit that encourages greater understanding between diverse peoples.

✨ Connect with Michael here: 

👉 https://www.mosaicvoices.org

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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Thomas Hübl dives deep into how we can learn to be more grounded in stressful moments, and grow our resilience, agency, and ability to respond to challenges. He shares insights and practices to activate curiosity, exploring how we can expand our individual healing into the community.

We're living in a very complex time - a global poly-crisis situation where the topics reverberating in the world might feel overwhelming, isolating, triggering, distancing, even creating indifference.

Thomas focuses on learning to recognize overwhelm and create space within ourselves, in our environment, and in our relationships so that integration and healing can occur.

Where would you like more space in your life, to create the possibility of a different outcome, a new future? Tune in for fresh insights on cultivating space and nurturing wisdom, resilience, and loving-kindness in an increasingly complex world.

✨ NEW Self-Paced Course from Thomas Hübl: Navigating the Levels of Trauma Healing ✨

A 6-module online training to manage anxiety, overwhelm, and nervous system dysregulation during times of accelerated change and disruption. Explore a new paradigm to move fluidly between different types of trauma healing and learn new tools and approaches to better manage and integrate what is occurring both personally and collectively.

For a limited time, you’ll receive a $100 discount on course tuition when you register via this special link:

👉 https://www.navigatingthelevelsoftrauma.com/podcast

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Thomas Hübl shares practices and perspectives to help us navigate the challenges that may arise as many of us gather with our families and communities for the holidays. 

In situations where differing opinions and issues from childhood can often lead to tension, reactivity, and conflict, it sometimes feels impossible to stay grounded, present, and spacious enough to handle these moments. 

With practice, we can learn to recognize our emotions, know how they feel in our bodies, and gain a better understanding of our inner experience so that we can integrate what arises. Then, we can transform difficult moments into opportunities for growth and connection. Or, we can see more clearly when the healthy decision is to walk away.

Thomas explores how we can train ourselves to be more regulated so that we can approach relational challenges with curiosity instead of judgment, and create space to host discomfort and disagreement with fluidity, maturity, and love.

✨ NEW Self-Paced Course from Thomas Hübl: Navigating the Levels of Trauma Healing ✨

A 6-module online training to manage anxiety, overwhelm, and nervous system dysregulation during times of accelerated change and disruption. Explore a new paradigm to move fluidly between different types of trauma healing and learn new tools and approaches to better manage and integrate what is occurring both personally and collectively.

For a limited time, you’ll receive a $100 discount on course tuition when you register via this special link:

👉 https://www.navigatingthelevelsoftrauma.com/podcast

✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com 

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Thomas is joined by author, activist, spiritual teacher, racial equity consultant and trainer, and intuitive healer, Michelle Cassandra Johnson. They discuss a new paradigm of collective care and healing inspired by the natural wisdom of honeybees. Michelle, an amateur beekeeper, shares what she’s learned about interconnectedness, adaptation, attunement, and longevity from these incredible creatures.

She and Thomas also explore how we can find the medicine that lives within us and learn to recognize and harness our inner resources for healing. 

We live in chaotic times, within harmful systems, and suffer from constant distractions that dysregulate our nervous systems. Thomas and Michelle share how leaning into community, fostering safe healing spaces, and practicing rituals and ceremonies can help us connect with the great and beautiful mystery of life and turn a feeling of lack into a sense of enoughness.

✨ NEW Self-Paced Course from Thomas Hübl: Navigating the Levels of Trauma Healing ✨

A 6-module online training to manage anxiety, overwhelm, and nervous system dysregulation during times of accelerated change and disruption. Explore a new paradigm to move fluidly between different types of trauma healing and learn new tools and approaches to better manage and integrate what is occurring both personally and collectively.

For a limited time, you’ll receive a $100 discount on course tuition when you register via this special link:

👉 https://www.navigatingthelevelsoftrauma.com/podcast

✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com 

Michelle Cassandra Johnson is an author, activist, spiritual practitioner, racial equity consultant, and intuitive healer whose work is grounded in an understanding that we can and must heal individually and collectively. She has authored several books, including Skill in Action and Finding Refuge, and has spoken extensively about racial equity, justice, and our connection with nature.

✨ Connect with Michelle here: 

👉 https://www.michellecjohnson.com

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

In this special bonus episode, Thomas shares a powerful presencing practice focused on conscious enjoyment. In our day-to-day lives, how often are we taking the time to stop and really focus on an embodied experience of enjoyment? 

Thomas shares why this is an important part of a well-rounded spiritual practice, and how this can help us release stress-based thought patterns and reinvigorate our lives.

✨ NEW Self-Paced Course from Thomas Hübl: Navigating the Levels of Trauma Healing ✨

A 6-module online training to manage anxiety, overwhelm, and nervous system dysregulation during times of accelerated change and disruption. Explore a new paradigm to move fluidly between different types of trauma healing and learn new tools and approaches to better manage and integrate what is occurring both personally and collectively.

For a limited time, you’ll receive a $100 discount on course tuition when you register via this special link:

👉 https://www.navigatingthelevelsoftrauma.com/podcast

✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com 

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

 Thomas shares insights, tools, and practices to help you stay present, responsive, and connected during times of change and uncertainty. 

More than ever, we are impacted by world events contributing to a state of polycrisis, where multiple traumatic events happen simultaneously. Thomas explores how we can support ourselves and others at a time when many are feeling chronic anxiety and overwhelm, while also addressing deeper layers of trauma.

Each of us is part of the overall health of the collective nervous system.  And as we each undergo our own healing and inner work, we influence the larger collective field. Tune in to learn how to expand your collective understanding to support more effective and multidimensional healing.

#traumahealing #collectivehealing #ancestralhealing 

✨ NEW Self-Paced Course from Thomas Hübl: Navigating the Levels of Trauma Healing ✨

A 6-module online training to manage anxiety, overwhelm, and nervous system dysregulation during times of accelerated change and disruption. Explore a new paradigm to move fluidly between different types of trauma healing and learn new tools and approaches to better manage and integrate what is occurring both personally and collectively.

For a limited time, you’ll receive a $100 discount on course tuition when you register via this special link:

👉 https://www.navigatingthelevelsoftrauma.com/podcast

✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com 

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

✨ Connect with Thomas here:

Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl