Can we approach discomfort and tension as opportunities for growth? Can humanity mature beyond divisive conflict?

This week, Thomas is joined by much loved returning guest, NYT bestselling author, and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, Elise Loehnen, to hash out the concerning fragmentation that feels inescapable right now and explore what we can do to combat it.

As we face past and current collective traumas, massive information overload, and current events that overwhelm our nervous systems, it’s not hard to see how we got here. 

Thomas and Elise offer hopeful frameworks for navigating these challenges and bolstering our ability to hold tension, engage in mature disagreement, and ultimately, re-humanize each other through deeper understanding and self-regulation. 

This goes beyond surface-level “wellness” to incorporate psychological, spiritual, and practical approaches that we can adopt to build a stronger foundation for our individual and collective futures. It’s an inspiring conversation that we hope you’ll tune in for.

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✨ Elise Loehnen is a New York Times bestselling author and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, where she interviews cultural luminaries about the big questions of today. She’s the author of the New York Times bestselling On Our Best Behavior: The Seven Deadly Sins and the Price Women Pay to be Good. She has also co-written 12 books. She was the chief content officer of goop, where she co-hosted The goop Podcast and The goop Lab on Netflix, and led the brand’s content strategy and programming. She was previously the editorial projects director of Conde Nast Traveler and the editor at large and deputy editor of Lucky Magazine, where she served as the on-air spokesperson.

Connect with Elise here:

👉 https://eliseloehnen.com

👉  https://eliseloehnen.substack.com

 

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. 

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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