Trent and Caitlin ask podcaster and philosopher Toby Buckle about the claim that heroic masculinity will save us. Do all men want to be heroes? Is someone stopping them? Does asking boys and men to be considerate squash their inherent manly essence? The hosts and their expert guest dig into these questions and more as they try to unravel the tangled web woven by the seemingly simple adjective-noun pair that is “heroic masculinity.”