This episode explores Doctrine and Covenants 102–105 — revelations that establish councils in the Church, recount the trials of Zion’s Camp, and redefine what success and failure look like in the Lord’s work. These chapters show that God proves, refines, and prepares His people through tribulation, and that redemption often comes in unexpected ways. Come study with hosts Ellis and Eddie, joined by Ben Hancock, host of the For All the Saints podcast, and Jenet Erickson, a BYU religion professor. Together they reflect on high councils and integrity, the grueling march of Zion’s Camp, and the blessings that come “after much tribulation.” From burned homes to the Fishing River miracles to learning the Lord’s definition of triumph, this conversation blends history, covenant hope, and personal testimony for all seeking to build Zion in their own lives.