You can learn a lot from others. If you’re prepared to listen, ask questions and explore things, there’s a very good chance you will encounter interesting opportunities through who you hang out with, what you watch, listen to and read.

In today’s episode Jac interviews Ral about what inspires her. Ral shares so many great things across business, people, technology, reading and life. Who knew Ral would bring a ‘business book’ from the late 80’s into the conversation… Jac remembers the book and now thinks the characters were moonlighting as porn stars!

Good wine, wholesome moments in nature, inspirational people who demonstrate resilience on a daily basis, how she uses AI and good food are just some of the things filling Ral’s cup right now. It’s a meaty episode.

Enjoy Keepers!

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https://open.spotify.com/show/5yIs5ncJGvJyXhI55Js0if?si=aCNOdB68QnOGnT0vCTPcPg