Everyone has an opinion on what makes a great leader and Jac and Ral say most of them are wrong.

In this episode they cut through to land on one definition: leadership is unlocking the potential of others. Everything else is just the work.

They get stuck into what actually costs a leader who doesn’t do the “leading work”, why trust is now the real competitive advantage (not AI), the $7 return on every $1 spent developing leaders, and why hiring good people means getting out of their way.

And Ral gives us advice we all need to remember at least once as a leader… step up, or step of!

----Your support helps keep this show going — join us on Patreon.https://tinyurl.com/jacandralpatreonNew Episode Every Monday Follow the showhttps://www.instagram.com/keepingitrealwithjacandral/https://open.spotify.com/show/5yIs5ncJGvJyXhI55Js0if?si=aCNOdB68QnOGnT0vCTPcPgFollow Jac https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacphillips/https://www.instagram.com/jac.phillips.coaching/Follow Ralhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/gabrielledolan/https://www.instagram.com/gabrielledolan.1/Produced by Keehlan Ferrari-Brown

…How did she talk me into this one??? Kylie Minogue's documentary on Netflix dropped and Ral decided we should do an episode on it. Not for the sequins, but for the sparkling career strategy Kylie has put in place!

Turns out the girl next door built her whole reinvention playbook on advice from two bad boys: Michael Hutchence and Nick Cave. Not exactly who you'd expect to hand out career wisdom. But they did. And it changed everything.

We unpack why Kylie ditched a hit-making machine to find her own voice, why she kept going after critics called her new sound "too raunchy," and the killer line she used to shut down a journalist who thought tabloids counted as research.

This one's about mentorship from unlikely places, having the guts to evolve past what's working, and the simple truth that you cannot please everyone. So don't try.

Ral reckons you should be so lucky to give this one a listen.

----

Find out more about our next immersion:

https://tinyurl.com/vd83zhyn

Your support helps keep this show going — join us on Patreon.

https://tinyurl.com/jacandralpatreon

New Episode Every Monday

Follow the show

https://www.instagram.com/keepingitrealwithjacandral/ https://open.spotify.com/show/5yIs5ncJGvJyXhI55Js0if?si=aCNOdB68QnOGnT0vCTPcPg

Follow Jac https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacphillips/https://www.instagram.com/jac.phillips.coaching/

Follow Ral https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabrielledolan/https://www.instagram.com/gabrielledolan.1/

Produced by Keehlan Ferrari-Brown

Ever held on to something which wasn’t working because you felt you’d “invested” and your fear of what was next outweighed your current shitshow?

In this episode Ral shares some personal stories of letting go and how it helped her to go forward way more than if she’d stayed put!

Jac reminds us hope isn’t a strategy and why we should all embrace uncertainty because it’s not about our mistakes… it’s about what we do next that counts.

 -

----

Your support helps keep this show going — join us on Patreon.

https://tinyurl.com/jacandralpatreon

New Episode Every Monday

Follow the show

https://www.instagram.com/keepingitrealwithjacandral/ https://open.spotify.com/show/5yIs5ncJGvJyXhI55Js0if?si=aCNOdB68QnOGnT0vCTPcPg

Follow Jac https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacphillips/https://www.instagram.com/jac.phillips.coaching/

Follow Ral https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabrielledolan/https://www.instagram.com/gabrielledolan.1/

Produced by Keehlan Ferrari-Brown

"Follow your passion." Sounds inspiring, right? Wrong. Jac and Ral reckon this might be the worst career advice and they're not sorry about it.

In this episode, they unpack why passion is wildly overrated as a career compass, what mastery has to do with it, and tackle the two big questions: What's the difference between loving your job and being passionate about it? What happens when you turn your passion into your job and then hate it?

Find out why following your talent is smarter, why it makes sense to put the hours in, and like what you do and keep the passion for… other things

----Your support helps keep this show going — join us on Patreon.

https://tinyurl.com/jacandralpatreon

New Episode Every Monday

Follow the show

https://www.instagram.com/keepingitrealwithjacandral/ https://open.spotify.com/show/5yIs5ncJGvJyXhI55Js0if?si=aCNOdB68QnOGnT0vCTPcPg

Follow Jac https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacphillips/https://www.instagram.com/jac.phillips.coaching/

Follow Ral https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabrielledolan/https://www.instagram.com/gabrielledolan.1/

Produced by Keehlan Ferrari-Brown

Find out why cancelling this one thing as a leader loses you the most money…

In this episode Jac & Ral dive deep into a massive blind spot for many leaders: the appreciation gap. While nearly 60% of managers believe they regularly recognise their team, just over a third of employees say they actually receive that recognition.

Ral and Jack unpack why traditional leadership styles have taught people with power to express gratitude less, and why treating great work as "just doing their job" is a fast track to losing your best people.

And since talent is an organisation's ultimate competitive advantage, leading with genuine gratitude isn't a "soft skill" - it’s the way to win! And make you and your company $$$

----Your support helps keep this show going — join us on Patreon.

https://tinyurl.com/jacandralpatreon

New Episode Every Monday Follow the show

https://www.instagram.com/keepingitrealwithjacandral/

https://open.spotify.com/show/5yIs5ncJGvJyXhI55Js0if?si=aCNOdB68QnOGnT0vCTPcPg

Follow Jac

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacphillips/https://www.instagram.com/jac.phillips.coaching/

Follow Ral

https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabrielledolan/

https://www.instagram.com/gabrielledolan.1/

Produced by Keehlan Ferrari-Brown

Feeling tension, friction, or total exhaustion at work, but can’t quite put your finger on why? It might not be the workload… it might be a misalignment of values.

In this episode of Keeping it Real, Jac and Ral tackle the real culprit behind career unhappiness, when your personal values clash with your job, your leadership, or even your clients. Sharing raw, firsthand experiences, they break down why staying in a role just for the money isn’t sustainable and how knowing your core values is the ultimate career cheat code.

Ral shares why she walked away from a highly lucrative opportunity with the tobacco industry and Jac breaks down a coaching session with a high-earning executive eyeing a role in the gambling industry, using a simple social scenario to expose severe values misalignment. 

Stop grinding in silence and start aligning your work with who you actually are.

Values and actions assessment:

https://www.viacharacter.org/

----Your support helps keep this show going — join us on Patreon.

https://tinyurl.com/jacandralpatreon

New Episode Every Monday Follow the show

https://www.instagram.com/keepingitrealwithjacandral/

https://open.spotify.com/show/5yIs5ncJGvJyXhI55Js0if?si=aCNOdB68QnOGnT0vCTPcPg

Follow Jac https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacphillips/https://www.instagram.com/jac.phillips.coaching/

Follow Ral https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabrielledolan/

https://www.instagram.com/gabrielledolan.1/

Produced by Keehlan Ferrari-Brown

Oh, the joy. Your work bestie - the same one you shared eye-rolls with in the Monday morning status update, just got promoted. And yes, they are now your boss. Deep breaths…

Jac and Ral are here to save your career (and your sanity). In this episode, we tackle the awkward, ego-bruising reality of what happens when a peer becomes your manager.

What we unpack:

• For you: How to congratulate your colleague without visibly choking, setting boundaries so you aren't expecting "inside gossip" at lunch, and avoiding the urge to undermine their new authority.
• For them: How to step into leadership without turning into an overnight dictator or playing favourites with the old lunchtime crew.

Whether you're the one stepping up or the one stepping back to let them lead, it’s time to put the 'intelligence' back in emotional intelligence.

----Your support helps keep this show going — join us on Patreon.

https://tinyurl.com/jacandralpatreon

New Episode Every Monday

Follow the show

https://www.instagram.com/keepingitrealwithjacandral/ https://open.spotify.com/show/5yIs5ncJGvJyXhI55Js0if?si=aCNOdB68QnOGnT0vCTPcPg

Follow Jac https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacphillips/https://www.instagram.com/jac.phillips.coaching/

Follow Ral https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabrielledolan/https://www.instagram.com/gabrielledolan.1/

Produced by Keehlan Ferrari-Brown

In a world rapidly dominated by technology and AI prompts, how do you actually stand out?

It’s getting better at being human.

In this episode we dive into the newly developed Future Fluency Index to explore the single biggest blind spot in corporate AI adoption: how we activate human potential in an alien world.

We unpack why "decision integrity" and "moral courage" are the ultimate modern leadership KPIs, how peak physical performance impacts your clarity, and why emotional intelligence remains your greatest competitive advantage over any algorithm. 

Whether you are leading a team or navigating your own career, it’s time to stop worrying about artificial intelligence and start dialling up your human intelligence. Surely you haven’t forgotten how to do that??

----Your support helps keep this show going — join us on Patreon.

https://tinyurl.com/jacandralpatreon

New Episode Every Monday

Follow the show

https://www.instagram.com/keepingitrealwithjacandral/ https://open.spotify.com/show/5yIs5ncJGvJyXhI55Js0if?si=aCNOdB68QnOGnT0vCTPcPg

Follow Jac https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacphillips/https://www.instagram.com/jac.phillips.coaching/

Follow Ral https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabrielledolan/https://www.instagram.com/gabrielledolan.1/

Produced by Keehlan Ferrari-Brown

The Enhanced Games begin this week, so to mark the moment we’re revisiting Ral’s fascinating conversation with Aron D'Souza — the man taking on the Olympic establishment.

In this bonus rerelease, Aron explains why he believes the current system is broken, why banning performance enhancement is hypocritical, and why the Enhanced Games could completely redefine elite sport, human performance, and even longevity itself.

Love it or hate it, this conversation will challenge what you think you know about fairness, sport, and the future of the human body.

Is this the future… or pure madness?

----Your support helps keep this show going — join us on Patreon.

https://tinyurl.com/jacandralpatreon

New Episode Every Monday

Follow the show

https://www.instagram.com/keepingitrealwithjacandral/ https://open.spotify.com/show/5yIs5ncJGvJyXhI55Js0if?si=aCNOdB68QnOGnT0vCTPcPg

Follow Jac https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacphillips/https://www.instagram.com/jac.phillips.coaching/

Follow Ral https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabrielledolan/https://www.instagram.com/gabrielledolan.1/

Produced by Keehlan Ferrari-Brown

Running around like a headless chicken doesn’t make you a better leader, it just makes everyone else dizzy. In this episode, Jac and Ral get brutally honest about the ultimate leadership superpower: absolute calm in the absolute chaos.

They dive deep into why your team doesn’t need a stressed-out "saviour"- they need a steady anchor. We’re breaking down how to stop absorbing everyone else's panic, how to reframe your boundaries so you actually have a life and why letting go of the 16-hour grind is the best commercial decision you'll ever make.

We also introduce the magic of the three-second pause (the ultimate tool for looking like the smartest person in the room) and map out how to shift from a "doer" who executes to a "visionary" who strategises.

If you're ready to stop trading your sanity for success and start measuring your worth by your impact, not your exhaustion, this one is for you.

----Your support helps keep this show going — join us on Patreon.

https://tinyurl.com/jacandralpatreon

New Episode Every Monday

Follow the show

https://www.instagram.com/keepingitrealwithjacandral/ https://open.spotify.com/show/5yIs5ncJGvJyXhI55Js0if?si=aCNOdB68QnOGnT0vCTPcPg

Follow Jac https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacphillips/https://www.instagram.com/jac.phillips.coaching/

Follow Ral https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabrielledolan/https://www.instagram.com/gabrielledolan.1/

Produced by Keehlan Ferrari-Brown