PolicyCast

When bad things happen to everybody: Crisis management in a chaotic world


Listen Later

Responding to a threatening virus is nothing new to HKS Senior Lecturer Juliette Kayyem, who played a major role in managing the US response to the H1N1 virus pandemic in 2009 as an official in the Obama administration.

But now as the COVID-19 coronavirus has spread from Asia to Europe and the Middle East and threatens to reach pandemic status, Kayyem says globalization and other factors have changed the nature of crises humanity is facing—and that governments and crisis managers need to adapt.

“The nature of the crises we’re facing on a global scale is that they are very hard to limit,” she says. “They're very hard to contain and their impact is going to be felt across borders, across geographies, and across chain of commands.”

Kayyem tells PolicyCast host Thoko Moyo that there is already a well-established playbook for responding to a local, regional, or even a global crisis. But planning ahead for a so-called “black swan” event—the kind of low-probability, high-consequence crisis that has the potential to change the course of history—is often complicated by wildcards such as irrational fears, misinformation and disinformation, and politics.  

In the world of disaster preparedness and response, she says, measuring success sometimes means being happy that things could have been worse.

“It's not rainbows and unicorns,” she says. “In my world, you're already at the bad thing happening. And if you're lucky, maybe you can stop it.”

Juliette Kayyem is the Belfer Senior Lecturer in International Security at Harvard Kennedy School, a security consultant, entrepreneur, and the author of the book “Security Mom: My Life Protecting the Home and Homeland.”

...more
View all episodesView all episodes
Download on the App Store

PolicyCastBy Harvard Kennedy School

  • 4.5
  • 4.5
  • 4.5
  • 4.5
  • 4.5

4.5

80 ratings


More shows like PolicyCast

View all
This American Life by This American Life

This American Life

91,125 Listeners

Freakonomics Radio by Freakonomics Radio + Stitcher

Freakonomics Radio

32,131 Listeners

Planet Money by NPR

Planet Money

30,642 Listeners

Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! by NPR

Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me!

38,699 Listeners

Economist Podcasts by The Economist

Economist Podcasts

4,188 Listeners

The HBR Channel by Harvard Business Review

The HBR Channel

180 Listeners

The Harvard EdCast by Harvard Graduate School of Education

The Harvard EdCast

91 Listeners

HBR IdeaCast by Harvard Business Review

HBR IdeaCast

1,838 Listeners

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Press Conferences by Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Press Conferences

41 Listeners

Harvard Center for International Development by Harvard Center for International Development

Harvard Center for International Development

20 Listeners

The Daily by The New York Times

The Daily

112,427 Listeners

Up First from NPR by NPR

Up First from NPR

56,419 Listeners

Harvard Art Museums by Harvard Art Museums

Harvard Art Museums

7 Listeners

The Davis Center at Harvard University by The Davis Center

The Davis Center at Harvard University

4 Listeners

Convergence by Harvard Negotiation & Mediation Clinical Program

Convergence

20 Listeners

Pekingology by Center for Strategic and International Studies

Pekingology

142 Listeners

Harvard Medical Labcast by Harvard Medical School Office of Communications and External Relations

Harvard Medical Labcast

23 Listeners

The Foreign Affairs Interview by Foreign Affairs Magazine

The Foreign Affairs Interview

445 Listeners

Good Hang with Amy Poehler by The Ringer

Good Hang with Amy Poehler

10,032 Listeners