While We're Waiting® - Hope After Child Loss

What happens when the lies grief whispers begin to feel more believable than the truth of God's Word?

Dennis and Debbie Jordan know that struggle well. In 1985, their six-year-old son Ryan went to Heaven after a three-and-a-half-year battle with leukemia. In the nearly 41 years since, they've experienced the depths of grief, wrestled with difficult questions, and discovered the faithfulness of God in ways they never could have imagined.

Debbie is the author of Grief's Deception: Overcoming the 12 Lies Whispered to a Broken Heart, a book born out of their personal journey and years of ministering to grieving families.

In this first half of our two-part conversation, Dennis and Debbie share Ryan's story and help us recognize the first six lies grief often whispers: that we're prisoners of our regrets, that our child's death was somehow our fault, that we'll never survive, that no one understands, that God has abandoned us, and that we should be over it by now.

Through personal stories, biblical truth, and over four decades of perspective, they remind us that just because something feels true doesn't mean it is true.

Next week, we'll continue our conversation as we explore the remaining six lies and discover more about how God's truth can bring hope and freedom to grieving hearts.

Links and resources mentioned in this episode:

• Grief's Deception: Overcoming the 12 Lies Whispered to a Broken Heart by Debbie Jordan
• Dr. Lee Warren's appearance on the While We're Waiting podcast
• Davey Blackburn's appearance on the While We're Waiting podcast (Part One) (Part Two)
• Our Hearts Are Home
• While We're Waiting retreats and support groups

I would love to hear your thoughts on the show. Click here to send me a message! ~Jill

** IMPORTANT** - All views expressed by guests on this podcast are theirs alone, and may not represent the Statement of Faith and Statement of Beliefs of the While We're Waiting ministry. 

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What happens when everything we thought we understood about God is suddenly turned upside down?  That's what Scott and Shelly Myers had to grapple with after the sudden death of their 11-year-old son, Will.  

Will was an old soul ... a bright, compassionate boy who loved books, stories, Scripture, and Jesus. He also lived with some significant health challenges, including a serious heart condition. And in October of 2012, Will unexpectedly went to Heaven.

Scott and Shelly share about the fog of those early days of grief, the impact of Will’s absence on their family, and the way loss caused Scott to take apart much of what he thought he understood about his faith, examine it, and put it back together again, piece by piece.

Scott also shares several powerful images from his book:  faith being dumped out like the contents of carefully organized drawers and having to be sorted through again; God walking with us at whatever pace we can manage; and a beautiful reminder that in our deepest grief, God doesn’t stand at a distance ... He comes down into the hole and grieves with us.

BOOK GIVEAWAY!

I’m giving away a copy of Scott’s book, Not My Will, to the first three listeners who email me at [email protected] and request one. Just mention the Not My Will book giveaway in your email. The first three to respond will receive a free copy!

You can also click HERE to purchase your own copy of Not My Will.  

I would love to hear your thoughts on the show. Click here to send me a message! ~Jill

** IMPORTANT** - All views expressed by guests on this podcast are theirs alone, and may not represent the Statement of Faith and Statement of Beliefs of the While We're Waiting ministry. 

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How do we keep moving forward after the loss of a child?  

In the second half of my conversation with Jackie Baker, author of Messy Mourning: Hope for Mothers Grieving the Loss of a Child by Suicide, we turn to some of the practical challenges grieving parents face as they learn to live with loss.

Jackie shares four lies grieving mothers often believe - including the painful thoughts that we somehow failed our child or could have prevented what happened - and points us back to what is true. We also talk about why the second year of grief can sometimes be harder than the first and how to answer that difficult question, “How many children do you have?”

We discuss why we can’t walk this road alone, the importance of finding safe people, and some very practical ways friends and family can support a grieving parent. And Jackie shares how she has learned to intentionally look for “beauty in the brokenness” ... noticing the evidence of God’s goodness all around her.  

In this episode, we discuss:

• Four lies grieving mothers often believe
• Why the second year of grief may feel harder than the first
• Navigating the question, “How many children do you have?”
• The importance of safe people, support groups, and counseling
• What helps—and what doesn’t—when supporting a grieving parent
• Intentionally looking for beauty in our brokenness
• The hope we have in Jesus

If you missed the first half of my conversation with Jackie, where she shares more about Sebastian and the unique challenges surrounding suicide loss, you can listen to last week's episode HERE.  

You can learn more about Jackie, connect with her writing on Substack, and find links to her social media through her website. You’ll also find information about her book, Messy Mourning: Hope for Mothers Grieving the Loss of a Child by Suicide, on our website, linked HERE.  

Register for the fall Our Hearts Are Home conference HERE!  You will be blessed by attending!  

I would love to hear your thoughts on the show. Click here to send me a message! ~Jill

** IMPORTANT** - All views expressed by guests on this podcast are theirs alone, and may not represent the Statement of Faith and Statement of Beliefs of the While We're Waiting ministry. 

We'd love for you to connect with us here at While We're Waiting!

Click HERE to visit our website and learn about our free While We're Waiting Weekends for bereaved parents

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Every child has a story that is so much bigger than the way their life ended.

In this first half of my conversation with Jackie Baker, author of Messy Mourning: Hope for Mothers Grieving the Loss of a Child by Suicide, Jackie introduces us to her son Sebastian—a bright, curious, athletic, artistic young man who was deeply loved. She also shares about the struggles he faced and the journey her family walked before his death by suicide nearly nine years ago.

Jackie speaks honestly about those early days of grief and the long process of learning to live again. We talk about some of the unique questions and emotions that can accompany suicide loss, the importance of remembering our children for far more than the way they died, and the impact child loss can have on a marriage.

We also discuss the stigma that can surround suicide in the church and why our churches need to be safe places where grieving families are met with compassion, grace, and the hope of Jesus.

In this episode, we discuss:

• Sebastian’s life and the struggles he faced
• The unique challenges of suicide loss
• Remembering our children for how they lived, not simply how they died
• Grief and its impact on marriage
• Suicide, stigma, and the church
• Finding hope in Jesus in the midst of devastating loss

This is Part One of my two-part conversation with Jackie Baker. Be sure to join us next week for Part Two!   

You can learn more about Jackie, connect with her writing on Substack, and find links to her social media through her website, linked HERE. You’ll find information about her book, Messy Mourning: Hope for Mothers Grieving the Loss of a Child by Suicide on her website as well.   

I would love to hear your thoughts on the show. Click here to send me a message! ~Jill

** IMPORTANT** - All views expressed by guests on this podcast are theirs alone, and may not represent the Statement of Faith and Statement of Beliefs of the While We're Waiting ministry. 

We'd love for you to connect with us here at While We're Waiting!

Click HERE to visit our website and learn about our free While We're Waiting Weekends for bereaved parents

Click HERE to learn more about our network of While We're Waiting support groups all across the country.

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Josie Doll joins me again today, as we continue our conversation from last week.  Together we explore the meaning behind her book’s title - "Courage in the Corners" - a phrase her son Christian often used in hockey. For Josie, it's become a powerful picture of grief: having the courage to take the hits, get back up, and keep going.  If you missed the first half of our conversation last week, you may want to click HERE to listen.  

Josie shares openly about her struggle to trust God after Christian’s death, the moment she came to the end of herself and surrendered to Him, and the ways her understanding of God has changed. We talk about wrestling with His goodness, being angry with Him, and learning that trusting God doesn’t mean we will always understand what He allows.

We also discuss forgiveness, the Christian Doll Foundation created in Christian’s memory, and how Josie hopes his life will continue to impact others.

Josie closes our conversation with encouragement for grieving parents and the hope that sustains her: Because of Jesus, our children’s stories - and ours - are not over. The best truly is yet to come.  

Links mentioned in this episode:
• Courage in the Corners by Josie Doll
• The Christian Doll Foundation
• Connect with Josie at [email protected]

I would love to hear your thoughts on the show. Click here to send me a message! ~Jill

** IMPORTANT** - All views expressed by guests on this podcast are theirs alone, and may not represent the Statement of Faith and Statement of Beliefs of the While We're Waiting ministry. 

We'd love for you to connect with us here at While We're Waiting!

Click HERE to visit our website and learn about our free While We're Waiting Weekends for bereaved parents

Click HERE to learn more about our network of While We're Waiting support groups all across the country.

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My guest on the podcast today is my friend Josie Doll, who I had the opportunity to meet when we hosted a While We're Waiting Weekend in Alberta, Canada last spring.  In this first half of our conversation, we get to know her 15-year-old son, Christian—a funny, compassionate young man and natural leader who loved hockey, golf, his friends, and his family.

Josie takes us back to the summer night in July of 2024 when Christian was struck by a vehicle while riding his moped with friends. She shares about the seven difficult days that followed, the desperate prayers for a miracle, and the heartbreaking reality that Christian would not survive his injuries.

We also talk about the ongoing legal process surrounding his death, Josie’s efforts toward “Christian’s Law,” and what grief has looked like as she approaches the two-year mark without her son. She describes the second year as “quieter” and shares how she has begun to view moving forward not as moving farther away from Christian, but as moving closer to the day she’ll see him again.

Next week, we’ll explore the meaning behind Courage in the Corners and go deeper into Josie’s journey of learning to trust God in the midst of devastating loss.

Josie’s journey has required the kind of courage Christian himself used to talk about ... the courage it takes to go into the corners.  I believe you’ll be blessed by listening in.

Click HERE to find Josie's book on Amazon.  

Click HERE to learn more about the Christian Doll foundation.

I would love to hear your thoughts on the show. Click here to send me a message! ~Jill

** IMPORTANT** - All views expressed by guests on this podcast are theirs alone, and may not represent the Statement of Faith and Statement of Beliefs of the While We're Waiting ministry. 

We'd love for you to connect with us here at While We're Waiting!

Click HERE to visit our website and learn about our free While We're Waiting Weekends for bereaved parents

Click HERE to learn more about our network of While We're Waiting support groups all across the country.

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In last week’s episode, we met Marty and Missie Durapau and heard about the loss of Missie’s 14-year-old son, Mason, after a golf cart accident on Easter Sunday in 2024. We also heard about the week they spent praying and believing God for a miracle ... and what it meant to keep trusting Him when that miracle didn’t come in the way they had hoped.  If you missed the first half of our conversation, you can find it HERE.  

Today, we’ll talk more about Mason’s decision to be an organ donor and the five lives that were saved through his gift. That part of his story has brought Missie tremendous comfort and purpose, but it has also brought some unexpected heartbreak that has caused her to wrestle with God in a whole new way.

We’ll also talk about why the second year of grief has been especially difficult, navigating birthdays and holidays, and the ways Marty and Missie are using their own experiences to come alongside others who are hurting.

Through all of it, they are learning that still trusting God doesn’t mean having all the answers. It means continuing to turn toward Him with the questions, the confusion, and the pain—and trusting that He is still faithful.

Link to the Our Hearts Are Home fall conference information HERE!  

I would love to hear your thoughts on the show. Click here to send me a message! ~Jill

** IMPORTANT** - All views expressed by guests on this podcast are theirs alone, and may not represent the Statement of Faith and Statement of Beliefs of the While We're Waiting ministry. 

We'd love for you to connect with us here at While We're Waiting!

Click HERE to visit our website and learn about our free While We're Waiting Weekends for bereaved parents

Click HERE to learn more about our network of While We're Waiting support groups all across the country.

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My guests on the podcast today are Marty and Missie Durapau, and if I had to describe the thread that runs through their story, it would be this:  Still Trusting God.

Marty had already experienced devastating loss when his wife of 34 years, Angie, died suddenly in 2020. Missie had walked through difficult seasons of her own before she came to know the Lord as an adult. They married in 2023, blending their families and beginning a new chapter.

Then, just over a year later, Missie’s 14-year-old son, Mason, suffered a devastating brain injury after a golf cart accident on Easter Sunday. For the next week, Marty and Missie worshiped and prayed and believed God for a miraculous healing. But Mason’s ultimate healing occurred when he went to Heaven on April 7, 2024.

In this first half of our conversation, we’ll hear how God brought Marty and Missie together, get to know Mason—a funny, tenderhearted boy who loved Jesus and loved his mama—and talk honestly about trusting God when He doesn’t answer our prayers the way we hoped.

This is a story of heartbreak, questions, faith, and still trusting God. I believe you’ll be blessed by listening in.

I would love to hear your thoughts on the show. Click here to send me a message! ~Jill

** IMPORTANT** - All views expressed by guests on this podcast are theirs alone, and may not represent the Statement of Faith and Statement of Beliefs of the While We're Waiting ministry. 

We'd love for you to connect with us here at While We're Waiting!

Click HERE to visit our website and learn about our free While We're Waiting Weekends for bereaved parents

Click HERE to learn more about our network of While We're Waiting support groups all across the country.

Click HERE to subscribe to our YouTube channel

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Sherry Bullock’s 19-year-old daughter, Emma, was fun-loving, easygoing, and known for leaving “a trail of Emma” wherever she went.

On February 6, 2021, Emma was killed in a devastating accident on a Florida interstate. In our conversation, Sherry shares honestly about the shock of sudden loss, the silence that followed, and the questions she wrestled with about heaven, God’s sovereignty, and where God was when Emma died.

She also explains the meaning behind the title of her book, The Mess We Leave Behind: Unshakable Hope in Unspeakable Loss. What began as the physical mess Emma left behind became a picture of the emotional and spiritual aftermath of her death—and a reminder that Emma had lived, loved, and mattered.

Sherry talks about what grieving parents need most, why grief cannot be separated from love, and how she came to see grief as holy ground. She also shares a powerful image of hope as the rope God lowers into the pit for us to hold onto.  As Sherry says, “Hope is everything.”

This is an honest conversation about child loss, faith, and the presence of God in the midst of the mess.

Sherry’s book, The Mess We Leave Behind: Unshakable Hope in Unspeakable Loss, is available in paperback and Kindle editions on Amazon.  Click HERE to get your copy.  

I would love to hear your thoughts on the show. Click here to send me a message! ~Jill

** IMPORTANT** - All views expressed by guests on this podcast are theirs alone, and may not represent the Statement of Faith and Statement of Beliefs of the While We're Waiting ministry. 

We'd love for you to connect with us here at While We're Waiting!

Click HERE to visit our website and learn about our free While We're Waiting Weekends for bereaved parents

Click HERE to learn more about our network of While We're Waiting support groups all across the country.

Click HERE to subscribe to our YouTube channel

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What does a "holy grief" look like twenty-four years after the death of a child?

In this second half of my conversation with Angie Ford-Green, we move from the story of Kevin's death to the wisdom God has cultivated in her through the years that followed. 

Building on the theme introduced in Part One of our conversation, Angie shares how God has continued to shape her understanding of a holy grief ... one that doesn't deny the pain of loss but allows Him to use it to deepen our faith, refine our hearts, and bring hope to others.

We also talk about navigating holidays and special days, loving the family members who are still with us while honoring the child who is in Heaven, and the importance of discovering purpose in pain. Angie closes by sharing the heart behind her books, A Mother Like Me and Mothers Like Me, a collection of stories that reminds grieving mothers they are not alone.

This conversation is filled with practical, Christ-centered encouragement for every bereaved parent seeking to walk faithfully through grief.

Resources Mentioned (with links):

• A Mother Like Me
• Mothers Like Me
• Little Lucy Ladybug: Where Are My Spots?

Visit Angie's website, linked HERE, to learn more about her ministry and her books.

I would love to hear your thoughts on the show. Click here to send me a message! ~Jill

** IMPORTANT** - All views expressed by guests on this podcast are theirs alone, and may not represent the Statement of Faith and Statement of Beliefs of the While We're Waiting ministry. 

We'd love for you to connect with us here at While We're Waiting!

Click HERE to visit our website and learn about our free While We're Waiting Weekends for bereaved parents

Click HERE to learn more about our network of While We're Waiting support groups all across the country.

Click HERE to subscribe to our YouTube channel

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