On the Gist, Trump is lost in the numbers.

In the interview, former mayor of Minneapolis Betsy Hodges joins Mike to talk about her most recent op-ed in the New York Times, "As Mayor of Minneapolis, I Saw How White Liberals Block Change." In it, Hodges challenges white liberals to confront the status quo of comfort and move the horizon of racial disparity that breeds police brutality.

In the spiel, is the scientific method white? The Smithsonian seems to think so

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