General Christopher Cavoli was NATO's Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR) until July 2025. He was responsible for the defence and security of 981 million people across 32 countries. Ooph.

While on a flying visit to London, he dropped into the General and the Journalist studio to see his old friend Patrick and get grilled by Tom on the UK's parlous defence expenditure.

But, mostly, he was here to talk about NATO and why, as a proud and patriotic American, he sees the Alliance as critical to America's own defence and security.

Hosts: General Sir Patrick Sanders and Tom Newton Dunn

Guest: General Christopher Cavoli

Producer: Shabnam Grewal

Executive producer: Fiona Leach

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