Guest: Shellene Drakes-Tull, contributing columnist

How many racialized people calling it out does it take to fix racism? Toronto Star contributing columnist Shellene Drakes-Tull addressed this head on in a recent column, where she pointed out the Canadian trend to issue a new survey, report or article comes out every few weeks that states what any racialized person has known for years: racism exists in Canada. Any new data is never good. BIPOC representation is down, systemic racism is up, workplaces are challenging and people of colour are tired of repeating the numbers to general shock, surprise or disbelief. Why does nothing really change? Why is it so hard to make someone believe that racism is real and present in our everyday lives, workplaces and institutions?

This episode was produced by Saba Eitizaz and Paolo Marques.