In a robust conversation on the Sunday Times Politics weekly with the Patriotic Alliance leader, McKenzie says he knows he will become SA president and laid down his objectives which “are all anti-SA constitution”, which he labelled as hypocritical.

“I know I’m gonna be the president of this country and God will come back to South Africa.”

McKenzie spoke on being a gang leader and how his life transformed through God.

The former mayor of the Central Karoo District blames illegal foreigners for all SA’s problems and wants everyone to walk around with identification.

On the podcast he elaborated on the six things he stands for which are:

Current coalition governments, notably in the big metros, have been characterised by instability and infighting, in which the PA has been an important player. He explained why he withdrew from contesting for the Joburg mayor position as he could not assure his coalition partners on what they wanted him to stand for and how he changed support for former Joburg mayor Thapelo Amad as he was “faced with facts”.

He says the PA is open to coalition with any political party next year as it wants power like any other party, and says one of the options next year after elections include the PA deciding who will be president.

He joined in studio Sunday Times deputy editor Mike Siluma and producer Bulelani Nonyukela for a vigorous conversation.