Joanna and Zach are joined by VinePair writer-at-large Dave Infante to explore why exactly craft beer has been in a years-long slump, as well as why attitudes towards "selling out" seem to have changed. Plus, an update on Zach and Dave's bet. Please remember to subscribe to, rate, and review VinePair on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your episodes, and send any questions, comments, critiques, or suggestions to [email protected]. Thanks for listening, and be well.

Dave is drinking: Bota Box Red Blend

Zach is drinking: The Devil is a Liar

Joanna is drinking: Sierra Nevada Sunny Little Thing

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