For more than a decade, the dominant Western narrative about Chinese lending to African countries has focused on the purported "debt trap."

But the data tells a very different story.

David McNair, executive director of Global Policy at ONE.org, joins Eric & Cobus to discuss a new report on African debt that challenges many popular assumptions.

While African countries owe $708 billion in total external debt, only about 11.5% is owed to China. Meanwhile, private bondholders hold the largest share, often at significantly higher interest rates. More importantly, China has shifted from being a major lender to becoming a major debt collector, as loans from the Belt and Road that surged a decade ago now come due.

📌 Topics Covered in this Episode:

• The scale of Africa's $708 billion external debt and China's 11.5% share
• The $52 billion "Great Reversal" — from Chinese lending to debt collection
• Why private bondholders now dominate Africa's debt landscape
• Interest rate comparisons: Chinese loans vs. Eurobonds
• The rise of multilateral development banks and expanded lending headroom
• The failures and design flaws of the G20 Common Framework
• 7. Credit rating agencies, risk perception, and Africa's borrowing costs

Show Notes:

• Development Finance Observatory: The Great Reversal
• ONE Data: African Debt
• Bloomberg: China's Retreat From Africa Lending Turns It Into Debt Collector by Matthew Hill

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