At the heart of the spiritual journey is relationship.

Growing in self-awareness is not an end in itself, but the heart and the means to deeper intimacy with God. As author and ministry leader T.J. MacLeslie and I talk about today, Christian spirituality involves a transformation of the self that occurs only when God and self are both deeply known.

In this episode, T.J. generously invites us into his story as he shows us why the spiritual journey is so much more than conceptually knowing God, but experiencing encountering Him. He shares how he began to untangle who God is from wounding experiences within the church, and what it looks like to pursue a real relationship with God — one that goes far beyond religious activity.