She spent 7 years writing the book, about her journey around the World, meeting indigenous people and seeking the will of wild.

This is where this conversation begins.

• what is wild, wilderness

• what is it to be an apprentice to something

• what does it mean to give time

• a note on activism and climate despair and fatigue

It was just as rich speaking with her, as it is reading her book.

Jay Griffiths has written on the politics of time, and the importance of wildness in the human spirit and the natural world in childhood. She was born in Manchester, studied at Oxford and has lived in Wales since 2000.

Her fiction includes A Love Letter from a Stray Moon, about the Mexican painter Frida Kahlo, and Anarchipelago, about the road protests.

She was the Hay Festival International Fellow for 2016.