Jonah is joined by Robert Kagan—a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and author of Rebellion: The Antiliberal Tradition That Is Tearing America Apart - Again—to debate Robert’s theory on the anti-liberal history of conservatism and why he thinks Trump is a logical product of the American right.

Show Notes:

—Robert’s profile at Brookings

—Robert’s new book

—Why the South Must Prevail

—Miles Taylor’s book, Blowback: A Warning to Save Democracy from the Next Trump

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