John and Pia continue tracing the historical pipeline from William Branham, the Healing Revival, and Latter Rain theology into the Shepherding Movement, PDI, and the New Apostolic Reformation. They discuss how doctrines of authority, submission, deliverance, spiritual covering, perfection, and apostolic oversight helped create systems where leaders were treated as spiritually superior and ordinary believers were trained to obey.
Pia shares firsthand memories from her time inside PDI, including her experiences around Larry Tomczak, C.J. Mahaney, Che Ahn, Covenant Life Church, and the internal culture of conferences, manuals, rebukes, deliverance teachings, and authoritarian control. The conversation also addresses public allegations and lawsuits connected to Sovereign Grace/PDI, emphasizing that these are not merely theological disputes but systems that affected real people, families, children, and survivors.