On the Gist, pronouncing names.

In the interview, Mike is joined by Ed Yong of the Atlantic. As a science writer, not only did he warn of an epidemic in 2018, but he has been covering the coronavirus in a clear and vital way. In his latest piece, "Immunology Is Where Intuition Goes to Die," Yong articulates how this tragedy could have been prevented, and explains why America isn't defeating the virus any time soon; it has defeated America.

In the spiel, do Trump's lies still work?

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