In this episode of Based Camp, Malcolm and Simone Collins dive deep into the historic end of the Israel and Gaza war, exploring the surprising role Donald Trump played in brokering peace. The discussion covers the political fallout for both the left and right, the shifting narratives in Western media, and the broader implications for Israel, Gaza, and global politics. The Collinses examine the reactions from activists, the future of leftist causes, and the complex cultural and demographic dynamics shaping the region. The episode also touches on the role of AI, the future of capitalism, and the evolving landscape of social and political movements. Stay tuned for a satirical musical finale imagining Gaza as the “new Riviera” in a post-war world.

Episode Transcript:

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Well, okay, so look at what this does for the left. So they’re not gonna have this in the next election cycle. It’s like an issue they can talk about. Because, you know, Trump saved Gaza so they don’t have this in the next election cycle.

They don’t have the trans stuff anymore. Like, that’s mostly blown up. , Like when I see blue sky turning against an issue, I’m like, okay, like this is really culturally over at this point. The environmentalist grift, everybody sort of forgot about that. Like I haven’t heard much environmentalist. Well, I mean, the fact

Simone Collins: that even Greta Thunberg has switched from the environment to Gaza is I think indicative of the scales really tipping and people just having dropped it

Dare you. How dare you..

Simone Collins: Y. Yeah. I mean, global poverty could be a thing again. Are they gonna make global poverty a thing again? Well, not, no, no, no. Not global poverty. An end to capitalism.

Would you like to know more?

Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. Today we have a peace in the Middle East and [00:01:00] Trump was largely responsible for this. And interestingly, a lot of leftist figures who have been using this as a core of their platform are very confused about what to do next. Because they cannot praise Trump for what he did.

No, in a deal that is shockingly pro Hamas. And, and I’m gonna talk about the deal. I’m gonna talk about what it means for the region. I’m going to talk about just how much Trump, because it really was all down to Trump. There is peace. The war ended because of Trump. And people point out that Biden had access to all of the tools that Trump used.

He just refused to use it. Hmm. And he used a lot of tools that we talked about, like the swinging being like, oh, you know, the Riviera and Gaza and like, you know, saying, oh, I don’t care. We’ll cut an aid to the region and stuff like that. Because you have to be willing to have a negotiating position to get to an outcome, right?

You, you can’t go in and be like, okay, I’m gonna come to the most middle ground possible, because in both sides. Choose extreme [00:02:00] positions. Yeah. So when each side thinks you’re on the other side, side, you could have a more actual negotiation. But we’ll talk about a lot of leftists who seem genuinely upset that the war is over.

I wanna talk about what is next for Israel and the Jews. And, and for those who don’t think that this was downstream of Trump. Here’s an ai. So I tried to ask the question in like an unbiased way. Like, was this really all Trump? Like Trump keeps claiming. And the AI said high contingency on Trump. His quote, unquote, insistence and willingness to exert us leverage EEG arms to Israel Sanctions on Iran and direct engagement were credited with breaking the stalemate.

Critics prior Biden administration argue Biden had similar tools, but chose not to use them aggressively. Perhaps due to domestic politics or differing priorities. Trump’s personal style building on relationships from his first term, Abraham Accords and treating leaders like Erdowan as allies. And he did do this.

The leftist always treated Erdogan like he was some sort of desperate outsider. And so why would [00:03:00] he work with him? But Erdogan as we’ll learn actually has a very friendly relationship with Trump using words like one tough cookie to describe him. That’s a very endearing, but like he’s actually bringing it all to a negotiation term.

And he was really key in pressuring Hamas to accept the deal. Because keep in mind, from the position of Hamas and the Israeli hardliners, neither of them wants us. The reason why Hamas doesn’t want this is because they use this to stay in power. Like one of the key goals of the deal for everyone, because the Egyptians are, are staying there and building military, there is the deconstruction of Hamas, right?

Right. So they don’t want to accept this deal. But obviously you cannot have a group that’s whole purpose is the eradication of the Jews right next to Israel. Right? So like. There wasn’t gonna be a piece deal unless that was part of it and they got Hamas to accept this.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Okay. Well, and I was also just thinking, I mean, ‘cause we’re constantly talking about ai, how Israel and Gaza are a really great,

Malcolm Collins: Hey Octavian, do you know, oh, sorry. This is Wizzing, his, [00:04:00] his AI friend that he’s talking to. I can’t hear you by the way, if you’re talking,

Simone Collins: Hey, hooked. Are you talking, Simone? Yeah. Sorry. Can you hear me now? Yeah, I

Malcolm Collins: can hear you.

Simone Collins: I was just thinking too about how Israel and Gaza can be seen as kind of an allegory to AI and people who think that AI cannot exist safely.

Yes. You’re, you’re basically obligating. Each group to want the complete destruction of the other group. And it’s one of these terrible situations that’s extremely hard to deescalate. So the, the fact that we may be moving toward that is really notable.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And I’ve often used the tri gun, spider and butterfly analogy to describe the situation that Israel is in

Speaker 6: . You wanted to save the butterfly, right? I didn’t want to kill the spider. Unless the spider caught the butterfly, it would die anyway. You can’t save both, don’t you know that?

Speaker 5: It’s not right to make that choice so easily. . BUt

Speaker 6: [00:05:00] I’m not wrong about this, Rem. And what would you have rather had us do, just stand and think about it? In the meantime, while we do that, the spider eats the butterfly

Malcolm Collins: .

The gist being is that if a group. Is solely dedicated and its continued existence is solely dedicated on the destruction of another group. You can’t save both of those groups. You have to change the nature of one group, like genetically edit it to be a herbivore. Yeah. Or like

Simone Collins: remove Hamas,

Malcolm Collins: right?

Yeah. But that doesn’t mean necessarily remove all the people of the region. But we’ll talk about that in just a second. I’d also note here that everyone’s like, oh, Trump’s so mad about losing the Nobel Peace Prize. But the reality is, is no sane person thought he was going to win that prize. No. But I don’t know if you’ve seen what the outcome was of that.

But the, the woman who did win the prize dedicated it to Trump.

Simone Collins: Yeah. The, the Venezuelan, what is it? Dissident leader? Yeah. And

Malcolm Collins: it, it, the fact that she immediately did that and then said Trump has been key to my work [00:06:00] in Venezuela Yeah. Indicates that she’s probably gonna give a pro-Trump speech at the, at the un.

We’ll see how hard she goes pro-Trump. But it’s, it doesn’t look good for them. It makes them look incredibly petty when they’re like, oh yeah, but they gave

Simone Collins: Obama a Nobel Peace prize merely for. Becoming President and Trump,

Malcolm Collins: they literally said, oh, well we only give peace prizes to people who have a long-term dedication to this.

And I’m like, well, Obama didn’t. Right? And they’re like, well, well, and Trump

Simone Collins: started this with his first term. So Right.

Malcolm Collins: And I’d also point out I, in creating the peace, something that was probably critical was, the bombing of Iran. A lot of people freaked out about that. They’re like, oh my God, how could he do this?

How could he allow this? But both showing we are willing to go there and we’re willing to stop completely was was critical and we needed Iran on board with this to make this happen. Yeah. We had to get Turkey and Iran, two of the key financial backers to the region to say, okay, we’re going.

Octavian, get out of the room. [00:07:00] Octavian, don’t you have some? I know you wanna stay with me, but you gotta get outta the room while we’re recording. Okay? Can you get out please? You can say hi to the fans and then you have to get out. But don’t unsubscribe. If you’re making a bunch of noise in the background, won’t that be sad?

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. Go

Simone Collins: buddy. Go do your do go do your learning, ex finish up so we can start playing at four. Thank you.

Malcolm Collins: I love you, buddy. All right. Sorry. So the point I was making is stuff like being willing to bomb Iran was, was absolutely critical in achieving this deal. And that’s something Kamala just wouldn’t have done.

If Kamala had been in power, I see literally no possibility of this deal being done so early, and all of the leftists are obviously having to deal with this, this internally right now. Now note here, people can be like, why do I say this is a terrible deal for Israel? Or it looks like a terrible deal for Israel.

I don’t think it is in the long run. They are for. 20 hostages releasing 2000 hostages. Okay. That’s a, that’s a [00:08:00] hundred hostages for every one hostage. They’re getting back. Right. And some of these hostages that they’re releasing were involved in the the October 7th attacks that killed thousands of Israelis.

Right. And that’s goal was the eradication of the Jewish people. Like that is quite a thing to let them go after. They lived in fairly cush conditions in Israel for the past two years while the Israelis were being griped and tortured. Right. Like, and, and we know this by the way, because the ones that have been released have been like Yeah.

And we also know from internal Hamas documents that grape was so common. That we have extensive records of it but only two instances where it turned out that two of the people were griping the male hostages and were executed for it. But it shows something that they thought that that was an okay thing to do, given what Hamas thinks about gayness.

So it must have been incredibly normalized with the females if they thought they could do it with the males as well. Which I think is, is very, you know, and, and Israel will say, and I just wanna note this before I go further, so, so just people understand why I’m saying this is a [00:09:00] good thing. Trump was good to forces the, the Netanyahu hard liners are wrong here.

You’ll be like, look, we are leaving a force there that is armed. They have said they won’t disarm to grow in power to reconsolidate and to attack us again. And I’m saying yes. All of those things are true. They will likely grow in power reconsolidate and eventually attack you again in 10 years, in 15 years, in 20 years.

But here’s the reality of that situation. When they come after Israel in 15 years. You’re not gonna have Israeli soldiers going into those tunnels. You’re going to have automated AI drones going into those tunnels, and they’re not gonna have automated AI drones to defend themselves. They’re gonna still have AK 40 sevens.

Okay? Moreover, you are not gonna have Europe. Tying your, your hands behind your back on this situation. Next time, you’re not gonna have America tying. Its your hands behind your back. [00:10:00] Because why? Because America’s gonna be dramatically more conservative than if you just look at demographic patterns, because Europe is not going to survive as an economic power with their existing demographics.

By that what I mean is they have a, an incredibly low fertility rate, like 1.18, 1.18, and like, five and like. Spain, Italy, like really low across the board. They, they, they’re obviously going to cease to be relevant as a power. And not only that, but we’re increasingly seeing in Europe right now.

And this is something that I’ve always talked about with my snake and the scorpion parable that I often tell to news cruise. I don’t think I’ve ever sold it on the channel, and I tell, came up with when I was talking to a, a German reporter who is at our house. And I said, okay, so you’ve got a bunch of immigrants coming into Germany right now, right?

A bunch of Muslim immigrants and, and, and some of them convert to and assimilate with German culture and some of them don’t. And she goes, yes, that’s true. And I’m like, and you have a bunch of, you [00:11:00] know, white people in Germany right now. Some of them. What to get rid of all the immigrants, and some of them don’t.

And she’s like, yes, that’s, that’s also true. And I was like, okay, what are the relative birth rates of each of those four groups? And she’s like, oh yeah. The Muslims that adopt German culture, that a culture rate to the urban monoculture end up with a. Like 0.5 fertility rate, the ones that don’t and stay very hostile to Germany and want to institution real law.

They have a birth rate of like three or four. The Germans who want to get rid of all the Muslims, they have a birth rate of three or four. The ones who don’t have a birth rate of like 0.5. And I’m like. So here I am an outsider. The snake says, I’m gonna kill you, scorpions. I’m gonna kill you.

Scorpions. And the scorpions say, I’m gonna kill you, snake. I’m gonna kill you, snake. And meanwhile, there’s a panda in between them holding them apart and the panda’s constantly being stung and bitten. But it’s like, no, no, no, I’ve hold apart. I’ve got this all handled. Okay. And here I am the outsider, and I go to the panda.

And I go, they both say they [00:12:00] want to kill each other, and the panda’s like, but don’t worry, I’m holding them apart. And I’m like, but you don’t have any kids. And all of this venom’s gonna eventually kill you. You are structurally responsible for fewer deaths if you separate them now instead of waiting for the snakes and the scorpions to decide how they’re separated on their own.

Yeah. Or what they really will decide is which one of them is gonna survive. Now, what I’ll point out is when the panda dies. In this analogy, it’s

Simone Collins: battle Royal time. A

Malcolm Collins: battle royale. But what I’m saying is, is Europe’s political sentiment towards the people of Gaza is going to be significantly less mm.

Charitable. Charitable is the word I’m looking for here. You know, now, now that the Israeli troops are withdrawing, they can get back to, you know, marrying nine year olds and throwing gay people off roofs. Right. You know, that’s, that’s, that’s back where we are. A note here, these are not [00:13:00] stereotypes, okay.

These are things that literally happen. As we pointed out in our episode recently when Pakistan banned child marriage. It’s like official tied to the government. Islamic court declared this Islamophobic. So like. This isn’t me saying this stuff about this culture. If you, if you ask, you know, Muslims, like actual Muslims from these countries, like, do, do you think that that you know, being gay should get you stoned?

They’ll be like, it’s like asking, am I, am I a Muslim? I believe what the, what the freaking Koran says, right? Like, yes. What, what are you talking about? So anyway, to, to keep going here.

There was an article in forward.com that said. We can’t hear you. Sohan. Read one New York headline this week. Pro Hamas crowd goes quiet on Trump’s Gaza Peace deal. And then a quote from the article said, it seems awfully curious that the people who have made Gazen a central political cause do not seem all that relieved, that there’s at least a [00:14:00] temporary cessation of violence.

Why aren’t there widespread celebrations across western cities and college campuses today? The article asked, the post wasn’t alone in voicing this question, a spokesman for the Republican Jewish Coalition posted on x the silence from the ceasefire. Now crowd is shameful and deafening. Others went so far as to imply that the protestors had been lying and never actually wanted a ceasefire, which I think is true.

They wanted the eradication to do with Jewish people. I think was, was ultimately what they wanted, and they’re, they’re not getting that now. I don’t

Simone Collins: recall. I mean, may that there probably were calls for a ceasefire, but yeah, all I recall was basically Israel bad z Zionism bad. Like Israel can’t really, well they said

Malcolm Collins: they stopped the genocide.

Stop the genocide. Trump stopped the genocide if it was a genocide. But I think it was just normal war stuff, but whatever. I mean, horrible things happen in war. That’s why war are terrible.

Simone Collins: Right. But I mean, I was just listening to a super long podcast of, of people discussing. Zionists versus non Zionists and leftists in [00:15:00] Israel versus leftist Jews in the United States and sort of all of their various stances.

And one, there was no explicit end point or outcome that was discussed as being optimal, but two, it was just sort of discussed that like the very concept of Israel is bad. And then, right,

Malcolm Collins: because they, they, they support colonization, right? Like Israel is one instance in which a native population took back their land from the colonizers.

And, and they’re showing that that’s not actually what they want. If that group is in any way deviant from the urban monoculture or has any sort of unique values or identity.

Simone Collins: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Because that’s what Israel really represents, which is a group of dispossessed people taking back their plant, their, their land from colonial imperialist forces.

But I mean, that’s what happened. Like if you look at the history, that is what happened. But if you, Simone. Question.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: What are your thoughts on what the anti Hamas people, because as the article here, and [00:16:00] I’ll, I’ll finish it, because what they really wanted wasn’t freedom or security for Palestine, for Palestinians.

You mean anti-Israel people? Yes, but the ability to blame Israel. If pro-Palestinian voices had really wanted to ceasefire the thinking went, they should be celebrating, I want to ask you about this. Where do you think they go? Like, Greta Thornberg is out of the job now. She’s on a flotilla was out a purpose now, right?

She’s good. No,

Simone Collins: no, no, no, no. Now, now they can finally get aid through.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, but the problem is, is that the stupid flotilla of yachts is not a cost efficient way to get aid into Gaza. Now that Israel is bringing aid to Gaza, right? Like you could just go through the official channels at this point. Yeah. So the question here is.

What do you think they like

Simone Collins: from the river to this sea? Malcolm, they, they want Israel as a Jewish state to cease to exist. They they don’t believe in anything about Israel being inherently Jewish. They just believe that there’s currently Jewish supremacy in Israel and that that should be ended. That should be brought to an.

Malcolm Collins: [00:17:00] It’s, it’s so, so to, to, to go over like what sort of things they’ve been saying recently. This is from an article by the Hill. Consider progressive Democrat, Zhan Mond, who is running to become the mayor of New York City. One of his trademark issues is Antagonism to Israel. He has yet to denounce his formal call to quote unquote globalize the Inata Theta.

Basically. Eradicate the Jews. That is, that is what the ADA is. And especially hostile threat to Jews, as he said that if elected, he would put Israeli head of state, Benjamin Hanya in jail if he set for in New York City. Menani is so toxic to most voters. The senior members of his own party, like Representative Chuck Sch and Huck and Jeffries have yet to endorse him.

But. This is, this is what they were talking about. You know, they were talking about globalizing the, in, in, in just weeks ago. This is what they were talking about at the college campuses. And now they’re not celebrating because they have lost the motivation to do that. And I [00:18:00] think a lot of, and I really hope the Jews didn’t understand that this was about the eradication of the Jews have woken up to this now.

And that they’re not like. Oh. They just want to end the war because if they just wanted to end the war, they would be celebrating them, right? Instead of grumbling. And by the way, we’ve explained this in other videos. If people wonder why the urban monoculture wants to eradicate the Jews there’s a very easy reason.

It believes that all differences between groups, because it says there’s no genetic differences between groups because it says there’s no cultural differences between groups. Because like if I point to say. One cultural group earning less money than another cultural group. And I’m like, well, you know, maybe culture has something to do with this that implies that the group could work to improve themselves.

Right, right. Yeah. And so they have to deny that that is a potential reason for group differences. Mm-hmm. Well, if you remove genetics and culture as reasons for differential group outcomes, then the only reason left is one group is cheating. Like they are, they are manipulating the system to their advantage.

And [00:19:00] if you look globally, it is very obvious. That Jews outcompete other groups in many areas, whether it is their position, the A number of them in Congress, the number of them, the Senate, it’s just court. It boils

Simone Collins: down to a classic issue of internal versus external locus of control. And it kind of, to me, it doesn’t really matter if another group is cheating or favoring their unkind or.

Genetically superior or practicing cultural things that give them a strategic advantage. All that we can do is look at what they’re doing, what we could potentially replicate ourselves if we want to be where they are.

Malcolm Collins: I, I understand and do something

Simone Collins: about it. I think that a lot of people just have that external locus of control and nothing can be done to change it.

Malcolm Collins: Simone, I understand what you’re saying, but I think you are not catching the, and therefore the, and therefore is the internal locus of control is a part of this. It’s not healthy. It’s different from how we see things, but it’s not actually relevant to this exact point. This exact [00:20:00] point is something that the urban monoculture.

Must push because it is key to their ideology. If you look at our video, we talk about the aesthetics of the urban monoculture and, and, and how it came to be. The, I think we called it the religion of the urban monoculture. Basically, it presumes that what is true is what would be most moral if it was true.

They don’t take this position because of an external locus of control. They take this location position. Because of that belief. It would be more ethical if all human differences. The, the humans actually were not different in any conceivable way. They aren’t culturally different, they aren’t genetically different.

Because then what that means is if we can just get rid of unfair governance systems, we can create true equality, right? So that would be the, the fairest world. So they presume that world is true, but the reason why that’s so dangerous is because if a group, for whatever reason is. Reliably Outcompeting other groups.

The only explanation is that they are systemically cheating. They have rigged the system [00:21:00] in their favor, right? And so that is why, because Jews do outcompete other groups. This is just something you can see in the data. Look at the number of billionaires who are Jewish. Look at the number of the, for, you know, fortune 500 eos that are Jewish.

Look at the number of famous actors that are Jewish. Look at the number of famous writers that are Jewish. Look at the number of. It’s easy to see, right? So, and if, if you wanna come at me and be like, this is because of nepotism. I’m like, every group practices nepotism. And, and, and nepotism has always been allowed, right?

Like that. I, I love it when somebody comes to me and they’re like, oh, this group practices nepotism. And it reminds me of that scene

Speaker 11: I’m leaving.

Speaker 10: Okay then, that was always allowed.

Malcolm Collins: you know, like you are allowed to favor people who you know are culturally similar to you. When it, I mean, not by the urban Monocultural rules, but the urban monocultural hates the Jews, right?

But within all sane cultural groups, like a Mormon is going to have an easier time vetting a Mormon than they’re gonna have vetting a non-Mormon. Right? They, they, they, they, they know who to call up with in the church. They know who to call up with in the system. [00:22:00] They know how to catch things really quickly that are signs that this person may be bad for the job, right?

Like. This makes sense. This was always allowed and your group was likely practicing it as well, as I’ve said, was in my own life. The area where I’ve encountered the most extreme nepotism and, and blatant nepotism is with Catholics. I will note I have never encountered it as a negative context.

The, the implication is always very inviting. Like, Hey come to this church event. I can introduce you to these very high profile people. Yeah. Hey. If you converted, I would be able to help you here, here, and here. Hey, there’s this really cool secret group, but you’ve gotta become a Catholic first which is a little different than the way the Jews ‘cause you can’t just become a Jew.

So, so I will say I don’t see it as nefarious at all. And I point out that there, this is even done publicly with that big group, like the Federalist Society, which is basically the Federalist Society. They’re the ones who help get Catholic lawyers Catholic conservative lawyers disproportionately in positions.

This is [00:23:00] why, like the Catholics are hugely overrepresented on the Supreme Court, and I’m not complaining about that. Like, whatever, right? Like you, you played, you played by the rules, right?

Simone Collins: Yeah. You valued this thing and you worked to make this thing happen. And then people are outraged. How dare this person have worked to do this thing?

It’s, it’s like someone says, I wanna go to Paris. I’m gonna save up for a trip to Paris. And then they go to Paris and people are like, how dare they? They’re privilege, they’re, they’re conspiring. I don’t get to go. Why am I not in Paris right now? And it’s like, dare or or you, I always find.

Malcolm Collins: Nepotism. He hired his son.

Why wouldn’t I hire my son over an equally qualified other candidate? Right? Like, like there’s a degree of nepotism where it becomes self-defeating and hurts me. But that’s also true of groups. If you are hiring, you know, like say an equally qualified Catholic, Orly qualified Jew and you’re Catholic or Jew or Mormon, right?

You know, you’re not actually hurting because of the way you’re exercising, nepotism, but if you hire a far unqualified one, well then you are hurting through, through the nepotism that you’re practicing. Mm-hmm.

But I thought I wanna talk [00:24:00] a little bit about what actually happened in the region.

‘cause I think it’s interesting. Oh, before I go further, no, because I actually find this really fascinating. What does the grift become now? I think like, I dunno, you mean the,

Simone Collins: the, the urban monoculture? Leftist grift.

Malcolm Collins: The ones who are going around talking about globalizing the, and everything like that.

By the way, people are like, is this gonna hold? Israel? Could just go back like, Kassan Piker, is it? Israel’s just gonna go back and attack. They will not, they cannot they have the hostages back. That, that, that the, the, the entire way they were able to argue to sort of the global Jewish community whose benevolence Israel relies on to a large extent.

You can say Israel. Well may not care what the US thinks and stuff like that, but it does care what conservative Jews in the US think it does care what conservative Jews in Europe think it does care what conservative Jews around the world think because they send a lot of money to Israel and they’re sort of rely Israel’s long-term survival is reliant on its positive relationship with its, and reason I say the conservative [00:25:00] community, it’s the one that matters, not the, the progressive Wokes.

It’s because they, they don’t have any kids, right? So they’re not really intergenerationally relevant. But every conservative Jewish community, when they, when they had their argument for the roar, it was, these are the hostages faces. Mm-hmm. Okay. If Israel goes back to war without that, they don’t just lose the sympathy of people like us.

They lose the sympathy of the Jews around the world. Because then they’re like, okay, well, so you lied to us about why you were doing this. This was actually about genocide for the sake of genocide. Right. And so I, I think that that’s just ridiculous. Is there gonna be continued killing in the region?

Absolutely. Because Hamas isn’t gone and they’re keeping their weapons, but it’s gonna be. Way smaller scale than it was historically. Israel has said it plans to continue to blow up the, the, the Hamas tunnels. You know, even with the war being over, which they should, that’s a military installation that really only has one purpose.

So like, let’s get that handled. But anyway what do you, okay, I’m, I’m trying to model what they’re [00:26:00] gonna do next. I feel like. They’re, they, some of them may try to go on like a war crime thing and be like, oh, they should. But I, I, I think if that wasn’t working when the quote unquote genocide was actually happening, and I’ll, I’ll point out here.

As I mentioned in another episode, if you are unaware of this, there is literally another, if we count this as a genocide, there is this year another genocide going on that is literally twice as large. Yeah. And these people aren’t talking about it, so it, and that’s what I was gonna

Simone Collins: say, like in an ideal world, they will shift their focus to a large genocide that is taking

Malcolm Collins: place.

But the problem is, is the large genocide that is taking place, if you haven’t heard about it, is literally. Arabs killing Black Africans for being black Africans. That’s like their stated reason. And when they kill them, the slur they use is slaves or translates to slaves.

Simone Collins: Yeah, to be fair, someone was explaining in the comments in the video where we discussed that in, in greater length.

Was [00:27:00] it like linguistically the first exposure to people of dark skin was only in the context of slaves. So. They sort of became synonymous ‘cause it was just like, yeah, everyone I know who looks like that is a slave. Therefore,

Malcolm Collins: yeah, the inward became synonymous was black people in the United States and we didn’t, we don’t still do that.

We were introduced to black people largely as slaves, as a culture. And we don’t still do that. No. So I, I don’t think that that’s a great excuse for why they are doing this. They’re basically calling them their culture’s version of the N word as they mass execute them, hang them and burn. Yeah.

But the thing is, is that the left cannot admit that the, the Arabs who they have been glorifying for so long, and we point out in that video even like.

On Al Jazeera, they have pundits saying, well, Palestinian blood matters more than African blood. They’re, they’re saying, it’s special, it’s of higher quality, right?

Speaker 4: صحيح عنا ضحايا كثيرة ونتحمل، لكن شوف حتى ضحايانا [00:28:00] حتى ضحايانا دمها غالي. العالم كله مهزوز هو شوف غزة أقول لك في السودان صار في تهجير وصار في قتل أكثر من اللي صار بفلسطين سنتين ولا حدا حاسس فيهم ولا حدا يحكي عنهم، بينما إحنا مظاهرات بتقوم في الجامعات في كل

Malcolm Collins: Like, this is a normal thought within the region, which is an incredibly racist region as we’ve pointed out.

Where they, you know, I put on a video of them killing a, a, a black kid for being black. You know, like this is, this is not unheard of in these regions because of the amount of racism that is common within these regions, a a against black, because it’s not just like they’re anti-gay. They’re also talking about, but the question is just like, what do they do next?

Right. Like, and sorry, the reason I mentioned this is somebody can be like, well, you can care about one genocide another, yeah. But the fact that you mentioned this one 20 times and this one that’s twice as big, not once shows that like, why couldn’t you bring it yourself to care about this genocide? But so what I want to, to point [00:29:00] out with all of this is, is, I think that a part of the left has become just blatantly antisemitic, and I think that it’s gonna become more normal. And I wouldn’t be surprised if we begin to see some leftists just identifying as antisemites.

Simone Collins: Yeah, I mean, I, I, I, that’s my biggest prediction is that they aren’t going to drop the Israel Gaza narrative.

They’re just going to keep focusing on. Zionism is bad and Israel as a Jewish state should not exist.

Malcolm Collins: Well, okay, so look at what this does for the left. So they, they, they, they’re not gonna have this in the next election cycle. It’s like an issue they can talk about. Because, you know, Trump saved Gaza so they don’t have this in the next election cycle.

They don’t have the, the, the trans stuff anymore. Like, that’s mostly blown up. Like even blue sky isn’t kicking off. One of our friends what’s his name again? The one who, Jesse Single. Jesse Single. Yes. And, and all the Blue Sky users are all mad about this, but like, even they are like, [00:30:00] he can say anti-trans stuff.

We’re not gonna kick him off for it. And so like, like when I see blue sky turning against an issue, I’m like, okay, like this is really culturally over at this point. The environmentalist grift, everybody sort of forgot about that. Like I haven’t heard much environmentalist. Well, I mean, the fact

Simone Collins: that even Greta Thunberg has switched from the environment to Gaza is I think indicative of the scales really tipping and people just having dropped it.

Y. Yeah. I mean, global poverty could be a thing again. Are they gonna make global poverty a thing again? Well, not, no, no, no. Not global poverty. An end to capitalism. Capitalism bad. Now, I could see that with Zohar Mond making such an impressive rise. Yeah. As the New York mayoral candidate. I think that’s really a sign of the new trending item, which is that capitalism is bad.

AI is going to destroy all jobs. That’s another big trending story, right, is that the US Jobs report continues to be [00:31:00] dire. Oh my

Malcolm Collins: God. Please don’t let them become AI doomers. That would be scary.

Simone Collins: I don’t think they will. I think that they, they accept that AI is going to eliminate jobs. And when I hear people, for example, like Bernie Sanders, talk about what needs to happen because AI is going to eliminate jobs.

It’s not we have to take out ai, we have to stop ai, it’s more we have to do all these things because this is inevitable. So I don’t, I do not think, I mean, based on what is trending now and what the narratives are now, that’s not it. Instead it’s going to be things like universal basic income and socialization and not.

What? And capitalism bad. And capitalism tax rich people more. I, I could definitely see that being the new cause du jour.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, because like the race identity politics stuff is largely fallen out of favor. Mm-hmm.

Simone Collins: The

Malcolm Collins: trans stuff has largely fallen out of favor. Mm-hmm. The Gaza stuff isn’t relevant anymore.

I, environmentalism is just so fascinating to [00:32:00] me. Like, it’s such like a, I don’t even know how I’d be positioning myself. They could try to take up antinatalism as a cause they could try to take up Ai deism. No. They could try to take up no

Simone Collins: capital isn’t bad. And also that allows them to continue to be anti.

S anti-Semitic because a lot of the most famous wealthy capitalists are also Jewish. So Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: But the thing is, is that the new right. Like when I talk about the current right, the problem, why I don’t say capitalism bad is gonna work that well for them, is very skeptical of capitalism. I you no, look at, look at the leading figures in the new, right, right.

You know, you got people like. Curtis Jarvin fan of the show, been on the show. He’s like a monarchist man. Like you look at us. We had an episode this weekend for our Patreon fans where we went deeper on this, where I argue that I’m not as, as like a staunch historic pro capitalist. I am not sure that capitalism works in the face of AI systems.

Like I’m. I am not sure that [00:33:00] capitalism can continue to function as it has historically.

Simone Collins: Right? Like there’s a Yeah, but there’s a difference between, I don’t know if this economic system is sustainable. We need to rethink these things fundamentally and eat the rich. All right there. There’s a really big difference.

Yeah. I think again, comes down to. The difference between having an internal locus of control and an external locus of control and the new rights approach to capitalism not being sustainable is we need to rethink these systems. How do we what? What are the evidence-based approaches we can take? Whereas the left approach to this system is, these rich people need to give us their money and I don’t wanna work anymore.

And. That’s just how

Malcolm Collins: well I, I think, I think it’s gonna be a little different from the direction you think so there is a leftist academic narrative, I guess I’d call it.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: And I can see that. So if you read Greta Thornberg’s, because I for a long time have been very confused in attempting to model and [00:34:00] understand how leftists support a group.

Like, you know, like they think that they have much more in common with the Goins than the blacks who are being killed in Africa. And I’m like, why? Like. This group hates gay people. You know, you would literally go to jail for 10 years in Gaza for being gay, right? Like, it, it, it, it does not like black people.

It does not like any of the other things that they say they care about. And so I’m trying to understand why. Octavian, please close the door. It’s really important. Why they are doing all of this. And the best answer I can come to when I read her stuff is it’s, we’ll say like, well, it’s the global colonialist project sort of thing that they talk about. They’ll use words like colonialist or whatever to talk about some sort of like a globalized system that needs to be undone. Which is also sometimes talked about under the term patriarchy or is talked about under, like they’ve moved from using the term patriarchy to using the term.

Like global colonialists [00:35:00] or something, you know? And they’re basically this sort of conspiracy theory around the idea that there are sort of societal forces working together to create this larger architecture that is like inherently oppressive and is upstream of. All of the environmental problems that we have, all of the systematic inequality that we have.

All of the, everything that we have, right. So I think fighting the system is where they’re moving next. Which is interesting because it’s not dissimilar to what our faction of the right sees ourself as doing is fighting the. What we see as a colonialist system, IE the system of the urban monoculture, this system represented by the, the you know, progress pride flag, as we call it, the colonizer body.

Funny,

Simone Collins: have you finished your learning exercises? Yeah, I think, I don’t think so. Can you finish and then we’ll start it forward to play with Toasty and Titan and Andy. I, I actually [00:36:00] did my carpet. It was made me pretty smart. It made you smart? Yeah. Okay. Now go do some math exercises.

Thank you. But don’t, yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So I think that they’re moving to this like wider conspiracy theory, fight the power narrative, which is not bad, but is, is also very similar to what we’re doing as I, as I pointed out there. And I think, it’s, it, it, the difference is, is that we are fighting like a real power that like actually has institutional power and they are fighting something that was sort of invented almost like a religion in the halls of academia.

I think what they’re gonna become in this way is more dedicated to the religion of the left rather than actual areas of concern.

Simone Collins: Esoteric monks, counting angels on the heads of pins. I dunno quote, I dunno. I don’t think so. No. I think it’s going to be about actively trying to socialize various aspects of government in a way that is detrimental and that’s going to increase our burn and our acceleration toward the tipping point of dependency ratio cascades, whereby we have more [00:37:00] people who are net drains on the state than contributors, which is only going to accelerate our progress toward monarchy.

So I think ultimately in the end, this. Peace between Israel and Gaza is going to be the accelerant that drives us even more quickly toward Curtis vin’s, monarchy.

Malcolm Collins: I love you so much. So, and I had a bunch more, I was gonna talk about the specifics of the, the peace plan which I think is interesting basically, well, I’ll just briefly talk about it.

So how this happened was Trump worked really hard, was Erdogan to put pressure and then worked to get Iran to put pressure on Hamas to accept the deal. Because they, again, it, it’s, it’s enormous that he got them to do this. Yeah. They’re not gonna take it from us. Right. And, and now a, a Pan Arab sort of group is going to be running the, a, a non Hamas government in the region.

Like they’re not giving it back to the people there. They’re like, that didn’t work. So we’ll have like a Pan Arab. State there which is probably the, the most [00:38:00] realistic thing that could have been agreed to, you know, is it’s not under Israel’s control to put it that way. The Hamas is staying armed.

They’re, they’re not giving up their arms and Israel is continuing some cleanup operations, like destroying tunnels. Hamas is gonna see their primary job here as many of their, their supporters did is sharing fake videos of Israel attacking after the, the. They were older videos after the ceasefire, but they’re gonna do everything they can to try to antagonize Israel into some sort of large scale response or even small scale responses.

We’re gonna see a few of those. That’s obviously gonna happen. But it, it won’t escalate beyond that. There’s, there’s no reason to, as I said, like Israel benefits. From not having this escalate, the people of gossip benefit from not having this escalate. The only group that really wants this to escalate again is Hamas.

And, and the problem is, is that Hamas has lost a lot of their backing because Iran got their teeth kicked in. The pretty severely Hezbollah got their teeth kicked [00:39:00] in pretty severely. The, the people who would’ve funded them and would’ve seen this as a good thing, just don’t have the money or motivation to go ahead with this anymore.

And, and so the, the whole situation has been sort of bled dry to an extent. And, and there’s not a, a lot of chance they just didn’t get what they wanted out of it, right? Mm-hmm. Like, no, no, nobody who, who funded this to begin with, other than the killings of Jews. Did they get what they wanted.

And so I, I just don’t understand why you, anyone would think that it would, would reignite, right? They’re, they’re, they’re gonna get enough people to reignite this. It’s just not, they’re

Simone Collins: just too tired.

Malcolm Collins: Well, also, one of the reasons it started, it wasn’t bad as it was, is Israel had become incredibly complacent about that wall and that border.

Um mm-hmm. And that allowed for, you know, if, if they had shot down all the gliders on day one, if they had shot down everybody who was running over on day one, this wouldn’t have happened. Right. And so if they increased the security there, which I am certain they’re going to and are much more [00:40:00] vigilant about it you, you don’t get anyone running over.

They just get shot the moment they cross the wall. And that’s, that’s it. And it’s possible to make a much more secure wall than they had that that was, if you look at pictures of the old wall, it just was not that secure. Mm-hmm. And I just don’t see that happening. A again yeah. Thanks for bringing me up of the world.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Oh, thank goodness. But oh, so terrible for the left. Terrible Trump ending so many wars. Is it? This is, is this number seven or number eight?

Malcolm Collins: I dunno. I, I mean, he’s, he is literally now almost certainly saved more lives than any president in living history. Sh. Can’t tell anyone that, oh my God, if he ends up somehow ending the Russia, Ukraine war as well, people are going to lose their minds.

Simone Collins: What’s so wild though, to me is that he also cares, it seems on a much more visceral level than other presidents. Other presidents are a lot more cerebral about things like war, [00:41:00] and Trump really feels it, like he gets emotional about it. He does not like seeing. The death and the people and the pain and the suffering, like it really, really gets to him.

And this, this shows up in people who’ve, you know, written about their experiences working with him. It’s not something that shows up. And his press conferences are in the media. Like this is something that shows up behind closed doors.

Malcolm Collins: Absolutely. Well, I I think it’s something that you can deduce from looking at his actions.

Hmm. So a lot of people think the reason he wants to end the Russia, Ukraine war is because he’s pro-Russia. But you see that when Putin doesn’t play ball with him, he gets, gets really frustrating. He’ll go on long screeds, he’ll, he’ll say stuff about Putin. That Biden and Harris would never say about Putin, like when you can see the same thing in his

Simone Collins: domestic policy as well.

When, when, when people die, really sad, really unfair deaths, it, it hits some of the grief bone. And I, I think that’s also just so notable is that he has ended as many wars and conflicts as he has and that [00:42:00] he really cares in a way that I think most politicians and statesmen would consider to be.

Deeply unprofessional. Yeah. Which is, is kind of sick. And it’s funny because this is, you talked about how one of your politician family members had talked about the frustrating thing about being a politician, being that both the good things about you and the bad things about you that people say aren’t even accurate.

And I think one of the good things about Trump that no one says. Is is a good thing about him is the fact that he does actually deeply care about human suffering.

Malcolm Collins: Well mean people do say it when they spend time with him. Even like progressives who hate him say it. They’re like, he seems to be, I don’t hear

Simone Collins: it.

Malcolm Collins: They, they, I’ve heard it’s like, it’s almost like a childish hatred of, of, of seeing like kids dying and stuff and just being, I have to stop this. Mm-hmm. And you see it in his frustration with Putin. Like when, when Putin, you know, didn’t make the deal happen. And

Simone Collins: zelensky both of them. He’s like, he’s like, why he wants, he wants to take a hose and hose down the cat fight and he [00:43:00] can’t, and it gets him very angry.

Malcolm Collins: Well, no, but he also has this exact aspiration of like, do you not understand people are dying? Mm-hmm. Like,

Simone Collins: mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Why won’t you stop this?

Simone Collins: And pretty much every statesman and politician has somehow like. Trained themselves to kind of abstract themselves from it in a way that Trump just never did.

Because I think he never really saw himself as that kind of person. He never saw himself as like, these are pieces on my chess board. These are soldiers on my map. No, that’s, that’s just not how he works. ‘Cause I think maybe a lot of it comes down to his insecurity. You know, these are all people who like me and have opinions about me, and he models people differently as someone from the media, as someone who cares about the feelings of other people, because those depend.

Those, those determin, I dunno. I disagree. His validation, I dunno what

Malcolm Collins: he cares about people dying in Russia, in Ukraine. The interesting thing is, is he seems to care about people dying on both sides. He does,

Simone Collins: but my point is, perhaps this is a result of him being a media figure and media figures needing to model people’s feelings more than like abstract.[00:44:00]

Like physics mod modeling, which I think is more what statesmen look at and politicians look at. It’s more like where are the numbers, where are the headwinds? Where are the tailwinds? Whereas if you are a media mogul and even if you’re a real estate mogul, both of these domains of his, a lot of it really has to do more with.

Sentiment than with tailwinds and headwinds and logistical geopolitical forces. Anyway, though, thank you for for this. Love you. Very interesting conversation. Have a great day,

Malcolm Collins: and it’s a good day for the world. And it’s going to be very interesting to see where the progressive movement goes after this.

‘cause I just don’t know.

Simone Collins: I think I do. We’ll see.

Malcolm Collins: It can’t be antisemitic. What’s next?

Simone Collins: Well, anti-capitalism is anti-Semitism. You can have your cake and eat it too. We’ll see. There we go. I feel like such a zombie right now, but then I checked to see how much I actually slept last night, and it was two and a [00:45:00] half hours. So I’m like, okay, I’m allowed to not function today.

Malcolm Collins: How am I coming through, by the way?

Simone Collins: Good. And I really like the mic. I mean the mic stand. The

Malcolm Collins: mic stand. Yeah. It’s much better.

Simone Collins: Yeah. You have taken the feedback of the people who do not want you to, Jo. They say both of you

Malcolm Collins: need to use Simone’s camera. Little do they know, I’m pretty sure we’re using the same camera right now.

We

Simone Collins: are using the same camera. I think it just responds really sensitively to light, but you’re well lit today, so works out

Malcolm Collins: oh, any, anything else? Any how were people responding to the episode?

Simone Collins: They liked it. I was surprised to see the number of people who, on today’s episode, about Chinese social media censorship chimed in to talk about Friday’s Minecraft cult episode. Oh, really? Yeah. They were like, well, I, I couldn’t watch it because it’s too dark.

But also that’s useful information. But also I didn’t [00:46:00] wanna watch it because I come here for just prenatal list stuff, and I don’t know why. So many people wanted to comment on last Friday, seven Monday. ‘cause I think we talked

Malcolm Collins: about it and we were talking about why the numbers were so low. Oh, we were like, we were very confused by the low numbers on the, it’s because our fans aren’t true crime fanatics like myself.

True, true. Connoisseur. People always wonder what I’m drinking when I’m drinking the new thing. I don’t, I don’t drink alcohol on stream that much anymore. So this is, this is lemonade. And the other one that people thought was bourbon was apple cider. Non-alcoholic apple cider. Anyway I will get started and people can tell me if they think I’m not as good when I’m, when I’m not drinking.

You know, maybe they’re like, your stuff was so much better when you, I don’t

Simone Collins: know. Of course like counts as alcohol even.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Parties. I feel like it’s a sports

Simone Collins: drink.

Malcolm Collins: I always invite people over and I have the, the dad joke of we got some beers for people who wanna drink and some Coors Light for people who don’t.

Anyway, so I’ll get, I’ll get started.

Speaker 31: [00:47:00] In Gaza’s land where palm trees sway, Trump’s got a plan to save the day. With golden towers touching skies, A billionaire’s paradise does arise. Gaza’s the new Riviera, oh, oh, what a sight. Gold towers shining day and night. Golf courses stretching far and wide. Trump’s dream land by the sea. Seaside, the beaches glow with golden sand, the finest golf course in the land.

Caddies and suits with perfect flair, all par for the course in luxury’s lair. Gaza’s [00:48:00] the new Riviera, oh what a sight. Gold towers shining, baby. The night stretching by the seaside, a five star hotel where camels roam with golden chandeliers in every home piece talks on the 18 hole diplomacy with the golfing.

Oh, what a sight. Gold towers shining day and night. Golf courses stretching far and wide. Trump’s dreamland by the seaside. So [00:49:00] here’s to Gaza, a brand new face. In Trump’s world where golden dreams blaze. A Riviera shining bright. A site to see where golf and grandeur make history.

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