As it's World Down Syndrome Day, Cally talks to Sally Phillips about children, neurodiversity, special interests, football, bonobo apes, gender, advocacy, fame, resilience, freedom, Bridget Jones, Veep, fake weddings and vulnerability.

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Twitter: @sallyephillips

National Autistic Society

BBC documentary A World Without Down’s Syndrome

Jam & Jerusalem

Cally & Sally on The Museum of Curiosity

Bitch by Lucy Cooke

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Produced by Mike Hanson for Pod People Productions

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Music by Jake Yapp

Cover art by Jaijo

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