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There’s something fascinating about stories that sit just outside the spotlight—moments in history that don’t always get the same attention, but quietly shape the world we’re living in now. That’s exactly where this conversation with Melanie Anagnos begins.

Melanie’s novel Night Swimming is set in the 1970s—a decade often overshadowed by the cultural upheaval of the 1960s, but one that was just as complex, just as charged, and in many ways, still echoing today. 

As she shares in this episode, it was a time of enormous social change: the women’s movement gaining momentum, early conversations around gay rights, and shifting economic realities. It’s also a moment that feels surprisingly familiar when you look at today’s cultural conversations.

What’s especially interesting is how Melanie came to write this book. Like so many writers, she had a first novel that never made it out into the world. 

But instead of being a dead end, that project became the seed for something new. 

A minor character from that earlier manuscript—Jamie—grew into the central figure of Night Swimming, a young police officer navigating both a homicide investigation and a rapidly changing cultural landscape.

And here’s where it gets even more compelling: Melanie didn’t set out to write a police procedural. In fact, she initially felt completely unqualified to do so. But inspired by a David Bowie quote about pushing beyond your comfort zone, she leaned into the unfamiliar—and discovered not only a new genre, but a new creative energy in her work.

We talk about the deep research that went into bringing this story to life—from listening to police interviews and podcasts like Small Town Dicks, to digging through archives on Newspapers.com to capture the everyday details of the 1970s. Because when you’re writing in a pre-digital world, every small detail matters.

But at the heart of it, this isn’t just a story about crime—it’s a story about character. Melanie is deeply drawn to character-driven fiction, and that’s clear in how she approaches Jamie. 

He’s not perfect. He’s not heroic in the traditional sense. But he’s decent. He’s trying. And that, as Melanie points out, is often what makes a character feel real—and worth following into a series.

We also explore one of the most nuanced challenges of writing historical fiction: how to portray women accurately within the constraints of the time, while still creating characters that resonate with modern readers. It’s a delicate balance, and one Melanie approached with thoughtfulness and care.

This conversation is such a beautiful reminder that writing often asks us to step into uncertainty—to try something we’re not sure we can do, to follow an idea even when it feels unfamiliar. And sometimes, that’s exactly where the most interesting work begins.