As America approaches herd immunity, many public health experts continue to support pessimistic guidelines about life after the vaccine. Consistent with his officials’ messaging, President Biden said in his address to the nation that there is a “good chance” that “small groups will be able to get together” by July 4th. 

Are public health experts being too cautious about reopening? Dr. Marty Makary joined Dany and Marc to talk about herd immunity and what Americans can safely do after being vaccinated. He also compares the Covid outcomes of states with different pandemic restrictions and mask mandates. 

Dr. Makary is a surgical oncologist and chief of the Johns Hopkins Islet Transplant Center. He is also a professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine and Bloomberg School of Public Health, chief medical adviser to Sesame Care, and author of “The Price We Pay.”

Download the transcript here.