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Vermont-based singer, composer, guitarist, dancer and poet Hannah Frances joins Al to introduce him to Fiona Apple’s 2012 album The Idler Wheel Is Wiser Than the Driver of the Screw and Whipping Cords Will Serve You More Than Ropes Will Ever Do (aka The Idler Wheel…). Hannah talks about her earliest experiences with listening to The Idler Wheel… and why the album made such an impression on her. She and Al delve into several of the album’s tracks, and they highlight what they enjoy about Apple’s lyrics, vocal delivery and instrumentation in general. Hannah also discusses her most recent album Nested in Tangles as well as her recent and upcoming shows and projects, including her Landscapes of Song workshop.
Correction: Al made an incorrect reference to Hannah's album Nested in Tangles as Nestled in Tangles.
To find Hannah’s music, videos, merch and more, visit her website https://hannahfrancesmusic.com/. As mentioned on this episode, you will also be able to purchase the on-demand version of Hannah’s Landscapes of Song songwriting workshop via her website soon.
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2:02 Hannah’s introduction
2:38 Does Vermont need a new state seal?
3:17 Hannah talks about how she got introduced to The Idler Wheel…
5:53 Hannah explains why she chose to discuss The Idler Wheel…
8:27 Hannah discusses the personal loss that changed her music listening
13:27 Hannah revisits one of the first times she had listened to the album
17:01 Hannah explains why she thinks Apple’s anger is part of what makes The Idler Wheel… an important album
20:33 Hannah and Al find Apple’s lyrical directness appealing
23:10 Hannah explains why she needs to hear the album in full
Discussion of specific tracks:
23:59 Daredevil/Valentine
27:09 Werewolf
30:20 Periphery
31:58 Regret
34:05 Hannah contrasts Apple’s approach on The Idler Wheel… to Fetch the Bolt Cutters and Extraordinary Machine
37:06 Al and Hannah comment on the variety in the use of percussion across the tracks on The Idler Wheel…
42:07 Hannah sums up what she loves about The Idler Wheel…
42:57 Hannah talks about the sonic and lyrical landscapes of Nested in Tangles
46:08 Hannah explains how she consciously wanted to defy genre labels
51:10 Hannah talks about how Joni Mitchell is an inspiration for her
54:38 Hannah discusses how her love of progressive rock impacts her own music
56:47 Hannah shares her upcoming plans for live and recorded music
1:00:43 Hannah talks about her recent songwriting workshop
Outro music is from “Falling From and Further” by Hannah Frances.
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