The Other 22 Hours

Charlie Worsham has spent twenty years becoming the guitar player Nashville calls first. He’s played in the bands of Vince Gill and Dierks Bentley, toured with Miranda Lambert and Taylor Swift, and been named CMA Musician of the Year and 2x ACM acoustic guitarist of the year. In August 2026, twenty years to the day after moving to town from Mississippi, he was invited by Vince Gill to join the Grand Ole Opry. He has also just released his first independent record after two solo records and two EPs for Warner Music.

And still, the end of a tour is a hard place to land. In this conversation, Charlie talks openly about coming home, the question he asks himself before he reaches for anything that numbs, and what it took for a lifelong A+ student to make peace with a C-. Plus, we talk about his tools and approaches to balancing mental health both at home and on the road. He also tells us about playing alongside a band of incarcerated men at Parchman Farm in Mississippi, and why those were some of the most important shows he’s ever played.

In This Episode:

• Charlie Worsham
• Porter’s Call
• Onsite
• MusiCares
• Cumberland Heights
• Backline
• Anthony Bourdain
• Wendell Berry
• What About Bob?
• Ep 166 - Jim James
• Music Community Foundation
• Country Music Association (CMA)
• Jerry Pentecost
• Brad Paisley
• Parchman Farm
• Elizabeth Gilbert - Big Magic

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The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach).

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Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

If you don't know Buddy Miller by name, you probably know his work. He joined Emmylou Harris's band, has worked with artists from Robert Plant to Patty Griffin, is a Grammy winner and a multiple-time Instrumentalist of the Year with the Americana Music Association, and served as executive music producer of the television series Nashville. Yet the collaboration he returns to most is the one at home. Buddy and his wife, Julie Miller, have made music together for more than forty years, through bankruptcy, a van full of gear, and the point where the road became too hard on her. In this open conversation, Buddy reflects on the pull between producer and partner, his honesty about where he fell short, and the record they made in the corner of their bedroom with red lights glowing in the dark. "We survived," he says. "We came out different."

In This Episode:

• Buddy Miller
• Julie Miller
• Time Out of Mind / Bob Dylan
• Buddy Miller's Majestic Silver Strings
• Marc Ribot
• Bill Frisell
• Greg Leisz
• Jay Bellerose
• Dennis Crouch
• Chocolate Genius
• Paul Kennerley
• Viktor Krauss
• Delbert McClinton
• Kinky Friedman and the Texas Jewboys
• Rodeo Bar
• Sonny's Bar (Red Hook)
• Smokey Hormel
• Barbés
• John Leventhal
• Gurf Morlix
• Lucinda Williams
• Billy Block
• Ep 26 - Katie Pruitt
• Ep 1 - Aaron Lee Tasjan
• Ep 16 - Rodney Crowell
• T Bone Burnett

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Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

Dan Wilson’s songs have shaped our collective cultural landscape, from Semisonic’s enduring anthem "Closing Time" to Grammy-winning collaborations like Adele’s "Someone Like You," The Chicks' "Not Ready to Make Nice," Chris Stapleton's "White Horse" and Jon Batiste's "It Never Went Away." Yet behind four decades of catalog mastery lies a quiet, rigorous inner examination of what it means to build an artistic life.

In this spacious conversation, Dan reflects on stepping off the tour bus during the height of rock success to care for his medically fragile newborn daughter, the radical freedom of striking the word "should" entirely from one's creative vocabulary, and why he spent the entire ascent of a global number-one single terrified instead of celebrating.

In This Episode:

• Dan Wilson
• Semisonic
• "Don't Give Up Yet"
• Rick Rubin
• Carole King
• Trip Shakespeare
• Ep 60 - Lori McKenna
• Ep 17 - Elizabeth Cook
• Nick Launay
• Amy Winehouse
• Bonnaroo
• Hardly Strictly Bluegrass
• Emmylou Harris
• Ep 46 - Mary Chapin Carpenter
• Frank Stella

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Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

Between late-night TV appearances and relentless album sprints, how does a working artist remain anchored in their own life? This week, we sit down with Nick Carpenter (Medium Build), whose catalog of raw, empathetic storytelling has earned him critical acclaim, tours with Mumford and Sons and Tyler Childers, and fans likes of Elton John, John Mayer, and boygenius. We discuss the exhausting trap of algorithmic omnipresence, the Jungian necessity of integrating our shadows rather than suppressing them, and the profound wisdom passed to him by Ben Kweller on honoring the muse. It is a generous, disarming exploration into stepping off the treadmill of validation and reclaiming art as an act of service rather than a product.

In This Episode:

• Medium Build
• Jimmy Kimmel
• Rosie Rush
• Carl Jung
• Duke's (Nashville)
• Niall Horan
• Gandalf (The Lord of the Rings)
• Bonnaroo
• Ben Kweller

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Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

What does it mean to witness ourselves transform? Singer-songwriter and bluegrass powerhouse Lindsay Lou, a frequent collaborator with artists like Billy Strings, Molly Tuttle, and Sierra Hull, as well as a member of the Sweet Water Warblers and a festival staple in her own right, joins us to explore the tender, high-stakes choreography of modern artist-parenthood. 

Celebrating her landmark all-women project, Bluegrass Women, Lindsay reflects on giving historical weight to the women who shaped roots music. She also gives unvarnished clarity about postpartum identity, surviving festival chaos with a 15-month-old strapped to her chest on stage, and the quiet revelation that comes when we stop trying to compartmentalize who we are. This episode is a deep dive into creative endurance, presence, and why artists pursuing their craft is a gift to their family rather than a subtraction.

In This Episode:

• Lindsay Lou
• The Sweet Water Warblers
• Rolling Stone Stateside Festival
• Grand Targhee (Grand Targhee Bluegrass Festival)
• Sam Grisman
• Ep 145 Derek Trucks
• Ep 12 Leyla McCalla
• Ep 39 Joe Henry
• Meshell Ndegeocello
• The Stanley Brothers
• Keith Whitley
• Ricky Skaggs
• Ola Belle Reed
• Tim O'Brien
• Ep 147 Nitty Gritty Dirt Band
• Bluegrass Album Band
• David Grisman
• Scott Vestal
• Shani Gandhi
• Ep 11 Lucius
• Rachael Price
• Fran's Eastside Tavern (Fran's)
• Rachel Baiman
• Ep 85 Caroline Spence

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Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

In a culture that demands creative output be loud, continuous, and universally relatable, what does it mean to plant your flag in the quiet, specific, and unpolished? Grammy-winning artist and guitarist Madison Cunningham joins us with raw generosity, examining the dissonance between holding music’s highest honors and sitting with everyday feelings of failure. Across an intimate hour, we delve into the discipline of ignoring both praise and venom, how teaching unlocked her own creative permission, and Mary Oliver’s timeless directive to never hesitate when leaning into what gives us joy.

In This Episode:

• Madison Cunningham
• Remi Wolf
• Ep 56 - Guster
• Dolly Parton
• Mike Viola
• Mary Oliver
• "Don't Hesitate" (Poem by Mary Oliver)

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Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

As the frontman of Grammy-nominated rock band My Morning Jacket, Jim James has spent decades at the center of new alternative. His long list of achievements includes a solo catalog of five studio albums, recording as part of the supergroup Monsters of Folk, and producing artists such as Ray LaMontagne, S.G. Goodman and Basia Bulat. Yet, beneath these accomplishments was an exhausting cycle of perfectionism and self-loathing fueled by the quiet fear that rest equals irrelevance. In this tender and expansive conversation, Jim explores what happened when he stopped trying to outrun his own shadow. He reflects on four years of sobriety, the transformative nature of EMDR and parts work therapy, learning to dance with his creative muse rather than whip the workhorse, and why reclaiming true creative vitality starts by making peace with the human being inside.

In This Episode:

• Jim James
• My Morning Jacket
• Iris DeMent
• Grateful Dead
• Kurt Cobain
• Nina Simone
• Wowed Out
• Brian Reitzell
• Brendan O'Brien
• Carl Broemel
• Bo Koster
• Billie Eilish
• Kane Parsons
• The Backrooms
• Hollywood Bowl
• Bob Weir
• Ep 80 - John Moreland
• ManKind Project
• Mister Rogers

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Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

We are often sold the myth that success cures insecurity. Brandy Clark joins us to unravel that narrative. Named one of the '"30 Greatest Living Songwriters" earlier this year by the New York Times, she is also a Grammy-winning artist who has placed her songs with Kacey Musgraves, Miranda Lambert, Keith Urban and Reba McEntire. In addition, she is the co-writer of the Tony Award-winning musical Shucked. In this beautiful conversation, originally aired in November 2024, she opens up about her fifteen-year journey to a breakthrough, the courage it takes to be a gay woman in country music, and the importance of only staying in rooms where you feel like a genius.

In This Episode:

• Brandy Clark
• Cyndi Forman
• Dave Brainard
• Shucked Musical
• Ep 60 - Lori McKenna
• Jessie Jo Dillan
• Ep 43 - Gretchen Peters
• Ep 46 - Mary Chapin Carpenter
• Kieth Urban
• Dwight Yokam
• Brandi Carlisle
• Shangri-La Studio
• Shane McAnally
• k.d.lang
• Ep 126 - Chely Wright
• Ep 97 - Fancy Hagood

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Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

What if the messiness of life isn’t an obstacle to making art, but the very material itself? In this reissued conversation from our archives, we sit down with New York Times bestselling poet and author Maggie Smith (Good Bones, Dear Writer). Together, we explore what happens when you dismantle the dividing wall between art and everyday life, the discipline of staying in solitude rather than catering to an audience, and how learning to trust your own instincts becomes the ultimate safety net for a sustainable creative life.

In This Episode:

• Maggie Smith
• “Dear Writer: Pep Talks & Practical Advice for the Creative Life”
• “My Thoughts Have Wings”
• "For Dear Life" - Maggie's Substack
• Lucinda Williams
• Joan Didion - The Center Will Not Hold documentary
• Jane Goodall
• “Good Bones”
• Jim Carrey commencement speech
• Tara Brach
• Stanley Plumly

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Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

With two Grammy Awards, 15 number-one singles, and a songwriting catalog recorded by legends like Emmylou Harris, Bob Seger, and Waylon Jennings, Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame member Rodney Crowell stands as one of Americana's most enduring icons. Yet, after 50 years in Nashville, Rodney’s relationship to his craft is grounded not in recognition, but in the quiet, daily act of showing up.

In this conversation from 2023, Rodney reflects on the early years of roaming Nashville alongside Guy Clark and Townes Van Zandt to evolving past the need for applause, the spiritual discipline of 7-day vision quests, and why a song can take 40 years to finally tell you what it wants to be.

In This Episode:

• Rodney Crowell
• Jedd Hughes
• Marty Stuart
• JD Miller's Recording Studio
• Wilburn Brothers
• Emmylou Harris
• Guy Clark
• Mickey Newbury
• Bob Seger

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The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach).

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Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.