Courtney Hartman is a singer-songwriter and guitarist, formerly of the Grammy nominated bluegrass band Della Mae who now performs and releases solo records featuring collaborations with Bill Frisell, Anais Mitchell, Sam Amidon and an entire record of duets with a past guest of ours, Robert Ellis. We talk with Courtney about her very intentional regrounding and reaffirmation of her commitment to make music her career, learning to love the little things in life and creativity, showing up in love no matter the season, inspiration in routine, releasing the ego from craving overly-complex music, constantly changing perspectives, and a whole lot more.

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• Courtney Hartman
• Della Mae
• Ep 42 - Robert Ellis
• Bryan Sutton’s guitar camp
• Ep 6 - Andrew Combs

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All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.

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Fancy Hagood started his career as a writer in Nashville before because 'discovered' by Scooter Braun, signing to Republic Records, releasing 2 singles - one of which cracked the Billboard top 30 - and then he was dropped by his label, agent, and manager, almost all on the same call. He has been featured on The Today Show, Fallon, and performed with Meghan Trainor, Kacey Musgraves, Ariana Grande, Elle King, and Kaitlin Butts, and since has released 2 critically acclaimed independent records, hosted Trailblazers Radio on Apple Music, and was recently honored with the Visibility Award by the Human Rights Campaign Nashville. We chat with Fancy about creating your own lane when the industry doesn't value you, inviting more people to the table, the optimism and opportunity in getting dropped from you label, the magic all around, the gift of delusion, and a whole lot more.

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• Fancy Hagood
• Ep 83 Brandy Clark
• Republic Records
• Nickel Creek
• Downtown Music Publishing
• Sara Evans
• Little Big Town
• Morgan Wallen
• Willie Nelson
• Roger Miller
• Leslie Jordan
• “Conversations with God” - Neil Donald Walsh
• Tara Brach

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• The Other 22 Hours TikTok
• Michaela Anne Instagram
• Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

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Maggie Smith is NY Times bestselling (her memoir “You Could Make This Place Beautiful”), numerous award-winning poet and author who has been considered one of the first viral poets after her 2016 poem "Good Bones" was read in the hit CBS show 'Madam President', as well as by Meryl Streep at the Academy of American Poets gala. As our first non-musical guest, we seize the opportunity to go deep with Maggie on the creative process in general - a very apt topic with her latest book "Dear Writer: Pep Talks and Practical Advice for the Creative Life" hitting shelves on April 1. We talk about keeping the purity of your creativity, being integrated as a human, trusting yourself to do what’s needed to keep this career going and being your own safety net, being open to completely revamping work, and a whole lot more.

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• Maggie Smith
• “Dear Writer: Pep Talks & Practical Advice for the Creative Life”
• “My Thoughts Have Wings”
• Maggie's Substack
• Lucinda Williams
• Joan Didion doc "The Center Will Not Hold"
• Jane Goodall
• “Good Bones”
• Jim Carey commencement speech
• Tara Brach
• Stan Plumly

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• The Other 22 Hours Instagram
• The Other 22 Hours TikTok
• Michaela Anne Instagram
• Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

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JD McPherson is a singer-songwriter and guitar player who's put out records on Decca, Rounder and New West, toured or collaborated with Dan Auerbach, Nick Lowe, and Lucius, is the guitar player for Robert Plant & Allison Krauss, as well as opening the shows with his own band, and is the producer of the recently-announced Jessica Simpson (comeback?) record.. We talk to JD about all modes of touring - from bus to plane to our shared affinity for van and trailer, touring to experience different cultures and meet new people, the long game of building a body of work and the value of word of mouth, Tulsa Oklahoma, and the advice that Nick Lowe shared with him backstage.

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• JD McPherson
• Ep 3 - The Milk Carton Kids
• Nick Lowe
• JP Harris
• Ep 73 - Edwin McCain
• Spike Lee
• tourfood.us
• Bobnet.rocks
• Robert Plant & Allison Krauss
• We Jam Econo doc
• Paul Ackling
• Theo Lawrence
• Ken Pomeroy
• Wilderado
• Ep 41 - Samantha Crain
• Ep 80 - John Moreland
• Broncho

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• The Other 22 Hours TikTok
• Michaela Anne Instagram
• Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

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The War and Treaty are a Grammy nominated duo who have released 6 records and EPs, starting out with independent releases before moving on to Rounder and now Mercury/Universal Nashville. They are the first black duo to be nominated for duo of the year at both the CMA's and the ACM's, where they've also performed, as well as performing and/or collaborating with the likes of Zach Bryan, Dierks Bentley, Brothers Osborne, Jason Isbell, John Legend, and Chris Stapleton.

We talk with them about the importance of letting your own art move you, knowing your place in the history that you are making currently, starting their own management company - and even signing other artists, giving yourself the grace permission to come undone, and a whole lot more.

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• The War and Treaty
• Buddy Miller
• Don Was
• Universal Nashville
• John Lewis
• New Orleans Jazz Fest

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• Michaela Anne Instagram
• Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

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This is the 4th and final episode of our thematic mini-series, and this week we are looking at the ways some of our Patreon's favorite guests have found to balance their family lives and their creative lives - from reevaluating what a meaningful approach looks like as your family grows, or juggling family life while both parents are creatives (ala Robert Ellis), to touring with kids and understanding your place as a creative in the broader fabric of society (ala Leyla McCalla), or budgeting and optimizing your creative time while being the primary care taker (ala Joe Henry). If you want to hear our full conversations with each of these guests they are linked below, and you can find a playlist with more conversations touching on balacing family + creative life on our YouTube page (also linked below).

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• Ep 42 - Robert Ellis
• Ep 12 - Leyla McCalla
• Ep 39 - Joe Henry

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• The Other 22 Hours TikTok
• Michaela Anne Instagram
• Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

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This is episode 3 of our mini-series of conversations compiled around a different theme each episode. This week we look at all things self doubt: from imposter syndrome, to score keeping, doubt hiding behind a need for outside validation, or just classic doubt in your abilities, we touch on all of it with Madame Gandhi, Langhorne Slim, and Guster's Ryan Miller.

You can find a link to our full conversations with each of them below, and playlists of other past conversations grouped by topic on our YouTube channel, also below.

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• Ep 36 Madame Gandhi
• Ep 49 Langhorne Slim
• Ep 56 Guster

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• Michaela Anne Instagram
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This is episode 2 of our mini-series of conversations compiled around a different theme each episode. This week we dive into the business of DIY, and stories of different artists that have built successful, sustainable careers outside of the major label, stereotypical "right" career path. We hear from Jesse Boykins III talk about leaving and standing up to Def Jam Records and Universal Publishing, Laura Veirs on owning her publishing throughout and starting her own label, the blue collar DIY sustainability that Joe Pug has mastered, and how BJ Barham (American Aquarium) has managed to build a six-figure DIY empire (both record sales/touring and merch)!

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• Jesse Boykins III - episode 67
• Laura Veirs - episode 44
• Joe Pug - episode 10
• BJ Barham - episode 7

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• The Other 22 Hours TikTok
• Michaela Anne Instagram
• Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

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This is episode 1 of a mini-series centered around a different theme each episode. This week we explore failure in it's many forms: enduring it, embracing it, overcoming it, learning from it - all from three different Grammy-nominated artist: Rodney Crowell, Madi Diaz, and Aaron Lee Tasjan - in that order. You can find a link to our full conversations with each of them below, and playlists of other past conversations grouped by topic on our YouTube channel, also below.

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Links:

• Rodney Crowell - episode 16
• Madi Diaz - episode 77
• Aaron Lee Tasjan - episode 1

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• The Other 22 Hours TikTok
• Michaela Anne Instagram
• Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

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Chuck Prophet has put out 17+ solo records, 10 records with his former rock band Green on Red, and has worked with Bruce Springsteen, Kim Richey, Kelly Willis, Alejandro Escovedo, and Tony Visconti, appeared on many late night shows, toured with Lucinda Williams, and more. We chat with Chuck about transitioning from being in a band to having a solo career, San Fransisco as inspiration, how major successes come out of the blue, learning by doing, songwriting as a self taught art form, the need for more danger in music, and a whole lot more.

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• Chuck Prophet
• Green on Red
• Jules Shear
• Chuck Close
• Angelo Petraglia
• Larry Gottleib
• Kim Richey
• Sound Emporium
• The Paradise Lounge
• The Albion
• Dead Kennedys
• John Cuniberti
• Alan Watts

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• The Other 22 Hours TikTok
• Michaela Anne Instagram
• Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram

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