James Vincent McMorrow is a platinum-selling, billions-streaming singer-songwriter who has released records independently and via labels such as Nettwork and Columbia, work with Paul Epworth, Kenny Beats, Lil Silva, had his vocals featured on songs by Drake, and Kygo, in Game of Thrones, and numerous festivals. He also took 7 years off from touring to be with his growing family and recalibrate his relationship with the industry, which we talk about here at length, as well as an industry without stats, long shelf life for your creations, building something that matters, defining your own targets, having the space to fail, and much more.

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• James Vincent McMorrow
• City and Colour
• Royal Albert Hall
• Young Jesus
• The Civil Wars
• Fake Famous Doc
• Lankum
• James Blake
• Neil Young
• 'On the Beach'
• Deftones

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Liz Longley has released 10+ records both independently and with labels such as Rounder Records, raised $150,000 on Kickstarter (the 4th most largest campaign by an independent artist at the time) to buy her finished album back from her former label, and has been critically acclaimed by Billboard, Newsweek, and Pop Matters. We talk to Liz about creators having the power in the music industry, touring as self care, time management with toddlers, balance, the wilderness, and more.

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• Liz Longley
• Paul Basile / Great Elk
• Parlor in the Round
• Ep 78 - Tim Easton
• Paul Moak
• Chatham Rabbits
• Ep 39 - Joe Henry
• Ep 60 - Lori McKenna
• Ep 7 - BJ Barham

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Tommy Emmanuel is a legendary acoustic guitar player from Australia, where he has received some of the nation's highest honors, won Grammy, ARIA, and IBMA awards (amongst others), released 27+ records on labels such as Sony and Columbia, and began touring at the age of 6. We talk to Tommy about his endless enthusiasm and drive to experiment that has kept him inspired and learning through his almost 65 year career, how he bucks genre traditions (and because of that, label constraints), being vulnerable with your audience, studying the art of stagecraft, and a whole lot more.

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• Tommy Emmanuel
• Cayamo
• Ep 50 - Sierra Hull
• Massey Hall
• Groucho Marx
• Ep 53 - Larry Campbell & Teresa Williams
• ‘Classical Gas’ album
• Randy Goodrum
• Barry Gibb
• Dave Cobb
• RCA Studio A
• Ep 51 - Steve Poltz
• Ep 83 - Kevn Kinney

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Caroline Spence has released 5 records independently and via Rounder Records, has written and/or recorded with Emmylou Harris, Lori McKenna, Matt Berninger (The National), and Sarah Jarosz, and toured with Mary Chapin Carpenter, John Moreland, Tyler Childers, and American Aquarium. We talk to Caroline about being in relationship with your creativity, awareness of, and moving beyond defining yourself externally or through your creative output, losing respect for the music industry, accepting that your wants and goals change over time, and a whole lot more.

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• Caroline Spence
• Ep 22 - Group Text (Erin Rae, Kelsey Waldon, Caroline and Michaela Anne)
• ‘The Artist’s Way’
• Nonesuch Records
• Wilco
• Ep 60 - Lori McKenna
• Ep 27 - Mary Gauthier
• Eddie’s Attic
• Ep 13 - Becca Mancari

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Becca Stevens is a Grammy-nominated singer songwriter who has released 6+ records of her own music, as well as collaborating with the likes of David Crosby, Jacob Collier, Laura Mvula, Brad Mehldau, Michael McDonald, Snarky Puppy, as well has having a roll in the Broadway show "Illinoise" based on the music of Sufjan Stevens. We talk with Becca about the nitty gritty of touring with an infant, balancing your passion and creativity with parenthood, balancing that passion with a partner who is also an artist, creating within and through grief, family bands, and a whole lot more.

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• Becca Stevens
• Mom's On The Bus community
• The Tune Mammals
• Boyd’s Shadow
• Gretchen Parlato
• Illinoise Musical
• The Town Hall
• David Crosby

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Brandy Clark is a Grammy winning artist and songwriter, who has had her songs recorded by Sheryl Crow, Miranda Lambert, Kacey Musgraves, Billy Currington, Darius Rucker and more, and co-wrote the music for Tony-winning Broadway show Shucked with Shane McNally. We talk to Brandy about battling self doubt even when it reemerges after you've started seeing success, finding the right community that will validate you and inspire you, her experience with persistence as it took over a decade to have any large career breakthroughs as either a writer or an artist, writing for theater verses a record, being openly gay in the country world, and a whole lot more.

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• Brandy Clark
• Cyndi Forman
• Dave Brainard
• Shucked the Musical
• Ep 60 - Lori McKenna
• Jessie Jo Dillan
• Ep 43 - Gretchen Peters
• Ep 46 - Mary Chapin Carpenter
• Kieth Urban
• Dwight Yoakam
• Brandi Carlile
• Shangri-La Studio
• Shane McAnally
• K.d.lang
• Chely Wright
• Fancy Hagood

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Kevn Kinney is best known as the songwriter and singer of the Georgia rock band Drivin N Cryin, who has released 20+ records over the last almost 40 years, some independent and some on major labels, and toured with the likes of Neil Young and The Black Crowes, but Kevn also has numerous solo and side projects, with members of REM, Drive By Truckers, Warren Haynes, John Popper and more. We talk to Kevn about what he calls 'self healing rock and roll', showing up just as you are, unlearning what you've learned so you can be yourself, getting out of writers block by writing about writing, the changing landscape of how you hear music, and a whole lot more.

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• Kevn Kinney
• Drivin n’ Cryin
• Ep 73 - Edwin McCain
• The Black Crowes
• Doug LaValliere
• Peter Buck
• Ep 1 Aaron Lee Tasjan
• Ian McLagan
• The Replacements
• Bad Brains
• “Let’s Go Dancing”
• Andy Johns
• Anton Fier
• Ep 80 John Moreland
• Bruce Springsteen

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Nicki Bluhm is a singer-songwriter who has released multiple solo records and records with her former band The Gramblers, and has toured/performed/recorded with the likes of Phil Lesh, Aj Croce, Oliver Wood and Todd Snider. Jesse Noah Wilson is a bassist and producer, who currently plays in John Fogerty's band, is a former member of Band of Heathens, and has a studio in Nashville called Rancho Deluxe. We talk with both of them about the insights they've absorbed through working with legendary octogenarians, never losing the drive for the highest quality, tour boundaries, band relationships and band therapists, horses, and more.

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• Nicki Bluhm
• Jesse Noah Wilson
• Rancho Deluxe
• John Fogerty
• Dead & Company
• The Band
• Ronnie Hawkins
• Band of Heathens
• ‘Some Kind of Monster’
• Trent Reznor
• Phil Lesh
• Terrapin Crossroads
• Taras Prodaniuk
• Anders Osborne

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John Moreland is a celebrated singer songwriter who has steadily released 10+ records, mostly independently (through Thirty Tigers) and one with 4AD, receiving accolades from the New York Times, Fresh Air, and Pitchfork, and has tour with the likes of Dawes, Patty Griffin, and Jason Isbell. We talk with John about cutting back on his 'team' so he could return to being more hands-on, how having lots of middle men involved separated him from both his audience and his creativity, going back to a flip phone, jealousy as positive motivation, following your own timeline, and a whole lot more.

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• John Moreland
• James Blake
• Ep 7 - BJ Barham (American Aquarium)
• Ep 10 - Joe Pug
• Colter Wall
• Tyler Childers
• Benjamin Tod
• Ep 64 - Rhett Miller
• Chris Staples
• Zadie Smith on Ezra Klein
• Jonah Hill
• Gillian Welch
• Iris Dement
• Lucinda Williams

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The Lone Bellow have released a 5 records on various imprints of Sony Records and Dualtone Records, hitting the Billboard 200 and getting nominated for Americana Awards, worked with producers such as Dave Cobb, and Aaron Dessner of The National, supported Kacey Musgraves and appeared on Letterman, Kimmel, Conan amongst others. We talk to them about healthy conflict in the group, and intentional communication to keep things progressing, betting on themselves and moving away from both outside producers and record labels, leading your team rather than waiting on them, ownership of your art and a whole lot more.

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• The Lone Bellow
• Aaron Dessner
• Dave Cobb
• Charlie Peacock
• 'Sound Man' by Glyn Johns
• Jon Low
• Red Clay Strays
• Chris Stapleton
• Jay Hieron
• Dualtone
• The Civil Wars

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