Jo chats with eternally curious, insightful and humble Joanne Elphinston about her recent article "Changing the conversation:an embodied coaching approach in the clinical session"  We discuss, - how the conventional therapist-patient power dynamic might be depleting your energy reserves  -  the benefits of loosening our grip on the "expert fixer" identity - the gulf between informing and educating for meaningful learning -  cognitively based teaching vs a sensory experience for real patient engagement - how genuine partnership with your patient doesn't mean withholding expertise