The girlies dive into the world of American talk shows — the modern circus helmed by formidable "experts." They track the history of syndicated television, the rise of popular figureheads like Dr. Phil and Judge Judy, and interrogate the philosophical carnival that makes these programs simultaneously appealing and horrifying. Digressions include our favorite Instagram Reels creators, and how one listener's family was ripped apart via the diet terrorism of Dr. Oz.

This episode was produced by Julia Hava and Eliza Mclamb and edited by Allison Hagan. Research assistance from Penelope Spurr.

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