10,000 Depositions Later Podcast

As a result of listener requests, today we add a new kind of show—the Depo Digest episode—to our podcast. These new segments will supplement the regular single-topic deep dives for which we're known. The Depo Digest installments, in contrast, will quickly highlight three or four brand-new rulings of interest to you as a litigator. Jim Garrity explains that our team reviews more than 500 deposition-related rulings weekly. Not all justify a full episode by themselves, but many are still of real practical value. So we're passing these along to you in digest form, yet another powerful tool to help you stay at the top of your deposition game. We heard you, and we're acting on your excellent suggestion. Thanks!

SHOW NOTES

Burton v. United States of America, Case No. 1:18-CV-02039 (JHR) (SDA), 2024 WL 305-6940 (S. D. New York June 19, 2024) (finding that 2015 amendments to FRCP 30(b)(6), requiring conferral, can be read to require disclosure of corporate designees and their resumes prior to deposition to facilitate “the efficiency and productivity of the deposition”)

In re Chrysler Pacifica Fire Recall Products Liability Litigation MDL, No. 22-3040, 2024 WL 3048495 (E.D. Mich. June 18, 2024) (finding that routine inconvenience and expense of traveling to forum for deposition is not “good cause” justifying protective order allowing plaintiffs to appear for deposition by remote video)

Williams, et al. v. J.B. Hunt Transport, Inc., No. CV-20-01701 PSG, 2024 WL 2108841 (C.D. Calif. Apr. 30, 2024) (order rejecting taxability of court reporter convenience add-ons for litigation packages, logistics and processing, concierge tech support, and virtual primary participants)

According to current cognitive psychology and neuroscience understanding, our memories are multilayered constructs composed of personal experiences and information acquired from external sources. So, when questioning witnesses about their recollections, it's crucial to understand what those layers are made up of. Is it purely personal recollection? Does it include what they were told by others? Does it include what they were told when their lawyer prepped them for the deposition? Examining the underlying sources or layers of the deponent’s knowledge helps identify the individuals and documents that influenced and possibly biased what the witness says.

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SHOW NOTES

In re FirstEnergy Corp. Sec. Litig., No. 2:20-CV-03785-ALM-KAJ, 2024 WL 1984802, at *14 (S.D. Ohio May 6, 2024) (“Seemingly, FirstEnergy argues that all facts about the internal investigation are privileged or protected because, at some point, these facts were communicated by lawyers to various individuals. Time and again, courts have rejected this type of argument. While communications between attorneys and clients are privileged, facts are not. Humphreys, Hutcheson and Moseley v. Donovan, 755 F.2d 1211, 1219 (6th Cir. 1985) (citing Upjohn Co., 449 U.S. at 395). And facts do not become privileged or protected because they were provided to witnesses by attorneys or acquired in anticipation of litigation. See, e.g., Protective Nat. Ins. Co. of Omaha v. Commonwealth Ins. Co., 137 F.R.D. 267, 280 (D. Neb. 1989) (“There is simply nothing wrong with asking for facts from a deponent even though those facts may have been communicated to the deponent by the deponent's counsel.”); United States v. BAE Sys. Tactical Vehicle Sys., LP, No. 15-12225, 2017 WL 1457493, at *5–6 (E.D. Mich. Apr. 25, 2017); Basulto v. Netflix, Inc., No. 22-21796, 2023 WL 3197655, at *2–3 (S.D. Fl. May 2, 2023) (“[F]act-oriented discovery is permitted even if the witness learned about the facts from her attorneys.”); Clear Cast Grp., Inc. v. Ritrama, Inc., No. 1:09-cv-169, 2011 WL 13334451, at *6 (N.D. Ohio Sept. 15, 2011). So too here. Facts related to the internal investigation are not shielded simply because they were funneled through attorneys to witnesses”)

Protective Nat. Ins. Co. of Omaha v. Commonwealth Ins. Co., 137 F.R.D. 267, 278–79 (D. Neb. 1989) (citing Sedco Intern., S.A. v. Cory, 683 F.2d 1201, 1205 (8th Cir.), cert. denied, 459 U.S. 1017, 103 S.Ct. 379, 74 L.Ed.2d 512 (1982) for the proposition that “No contention can be made that the attorney-client privilege precludes disclosure of factual information. The privilege does not protect facts communicated to an attorney. Upjohn Co. v. United States, 449 U.S. 383, 395–96, 101 S.Ct. 677, 685–86, 66 L.Ed.2d 584 (1981). Clients cannot refuse to disclose facts which their attorneys conveyed to them and which the attorneys obtained from independent sources. Hickman v. Taylor, 329 U.S. 495, 508, 67 S.Ct. 385, 392, 91 L.Ed. 451 (1947); 8 J. Wigmore, Wigmore on Evidence § 2317 (McNaughton rev. 1961).

State Farm Mut. Auto. Ins. Co. v. New Horizont, Inc., 250 F.R.D. 203, 214 (E.D. Pa. 2008) (quoting In re Linerboard Antitrust Litig., 237 F.R.D. 373, 384 (E.D.Pa.2006) (“ ‘[T]here is simply nothing wrong with asking for facts from a deponent even though those facts may have been communicated to the deponent by the deponent's counsel.’ ” (quoting Protective Nat'l Ins. Co. v. Commonwealth Ins. Co., 137 F.R.D. 267, 280 (D.Neb.1989))).)

State Farm Mut. Auto. Ins. Co. v. New Horizont, Inc., 250 F.R.D. 203, 215 (E.D. Pa. 2008) (“Contrary to State Farm's contention, the mere fact that counsel for State Farm may have provided such information to the witness in preparation for the Rule 30(b)(6) deposition does not convert the information into attorney work product. Were State Farm's logic followed to its full extent, anytime an attorney is involved in preparing a Rule 30(b)(6) witness, such preparation would be futile because the witness would inevitably be precluded from testifying to anything learned from the attorney. Were this the rule, every Rule 30(b)(6) deposition in which an attorney was involved in preparing the witness would be doomed from the start”)

Palmisano v. Paragon 28, Inc., No. 21-60447-CIV, 2021 WL 1686948, at *6 (S.D. Fla. Apr. 7, 2021) (“Thus, while the privilege applies when a questioner directly asks a deponent about discussions with counsel, the “attorney-client privilege simply does not extend to facts known to a party that are central to that party's claims, even if such facts came to be known through communications with counsel who had obtained knowledge of those facts through an investigation into the underlying dispute.”)

Thurmond v. Compaq Comput. Corp., 198 F.R.D. 475, 483 (E.D. Tex. 2000) (requiring disclosure of facts defendant “only learned through communications with counsel”)

Kansas Wastewater, Inc. v. Alliant Techsystems, Inc., 217 F.R.D. 525, 528, 532 n.3 (D. Kan. 2003) (“It is well established that a party may not withhold relevant facts from disclosure simply because they were communicated to, or learned from, the party's attorney.”).

Elizabeth Loftus, prominent figure in the study of human memory, particularly on malleability of human memory and misinformation effects. Loftus, E.F. (1975). Leading questions and the eyewitness report. Cognitive Psychology, 7, 560–572; Loftus, G.R. & Loftus, E.F. (1976). Human Memory: The Processing of Information. Hillsdale, NJ: Erlbaum Associates; Loftus, E.F. & Doyle, J. (1987). Eyewitness Testimony: Civil and Criminal. NY: Kluwer; Loftus, E.F.; Hoffman, H.G. (1989). Misinformation and memory: The creation of memory. Journal of Experimental Psychology: General, 118(1), 100–104.

Daniel Schacter, research on the “seven sins” of memory and the constructive nature of memory. Books include Searching for Memory: The Brain, the Mind, and the Past (1996); Forgotten ideas, neglected pioneers: Richard Semon and the story of memory. (2001); and The Seven Sins of Memory: How the Mind Forgets and Remembers (2001)

Charan Ranganath, Why We Remember: Unlocking Memory’s Power to Hold On to What Matters

In this episode, Jim tackles the problem of 30(b)(6) witnesses showing up with voluminous notes and documents to use in refreshing their memory about the topics to be addressed. Are these witnesses automatically required to give you those notes and materials ahead of time? If not, is there anything you can do to get them beforehand? And, what about getting copies of documents these and other deponents looked at before the deposition but didn't bring with? For the answers to these and other questions, listen in. And thanks for being a loyal listener of the podcast! We appreciate you!

SHOW NOTES

ChampionX LLC, f/k/a Windrock, Inc. v. Resonance Systems, Inc., et al., Case No. 3:21-CV-288-TAV-JE M (E. D. Tennessee Oct. 19, 2023) (providing that documents used during a deposition to refresh witnesses recollection must be produced to the adverse party while deposition is in progress, and need not be produced ahead of time, barring some other obligation)

Arrowood Indem. Co. The Lubrizol Corp. v. United States Fire Ins. Co., No. 1:10 CV 2871, 2015 WL 12734892, at *2 (N.D. Ohio Mar. 31, 2015) (“Fed. R. Evid. 612. Rule 612 applies to depositions and deposition testimony through Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 30(c)”)

Sporck v. Peil, 759 F.2d 312, 317 (3d Cir. 1985) This rule is applicable to depositions and deposition testimony by operation of Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 30(c) (“Examination and cross-examination of witnesses may proceed as permitted at the trial under the provisions of the Federal Rules of Evidence.”)

Antero Res. Corp. v. Tejas Tubular Prod., Inc., 516 F. Supp. 3d 752, 753 (S.D. Ohio 2021) (“Importantly, Rule 612 applies to deposition testimony”)

Antero Resources Corporation v. Tejas Tubular Products, Inc., 2021 WL363550, No. 2:19-CV-804 (S. D. Ohio Feb.2, 2021) (if witness uses documents for a testimonial purpose–as [the corporate representative did ]-any claim of work product protection over those documents is waived; further holding that, where conflict exists between the command of Fed. R. Evid. 612 to disclose materials used to refresh recollection, and protection provided by the attorney-client privilege, the weight of authority holds that privilege is waived).

United States v. Holden, 557 F.3d 698, 703–04 (6th Cir. 2009) (“Rule 612 does not apply where a witness refers to documents for purposes other than refreshing recollection”)

K & S Assocs., Inc. v. Am. Ass'n of Physicists in Med., No. 3:09-1108, 2012 WL 4364087, at *3 (M.D. Tenn. Sept. 21, 2012) (citing Nutramax Lab., Inc., 183 F.R.D. at 468, 473) (finding that documents were used for a “testimonial purpose” where the witness's review of them “unavoidably enhanced his recollection of events”)

Gilbert v. Atlantic Trust Co., N.A., 2005 WL8176938 (D. N.H. Nov. 17, 2005) (order denying motion to compel documents reviewed by deponent prior to deposition, under FRE 612, because of movant's failure to establish predicate during deposition)

FRE 612 - Writings Used to Refresh A Witness

Do you sometimes send multiple lawyers to depositions? If so, it's important to know how to maximize your odds of taxing each lawyer's fees when you prevail in the action and file your fee petition. As Jim Garrity says, it's easy to avoid traps, but it's also easy to step into them. In this episode he provides bright-line guidance for making your fee petition a successful one. Have a great week!

SHOW NOTES

Basic Principle

Gradisher v. Check Enf't Unit, Inc., No. 1:00-CV-401, 2003 WL 187416, at *4 (W.D. Mich. Jan. 22, 2003) (“There is no hard and fast rule allowing or preventing more than one attorney from attending a deposition, hearing, or trial on behalf of a prevailing party”)

Burden of Fee Applicant

Am. C.L. Union of Georgia v. Barnes, 168 F.3d 423, 432 (11th Cir. 1999) (“Thus, a fee applicant is entitled to recover for the hours of multiple attorneys if he satisfies his burden of showing that the time spent by those attorneys reflects the distinct contribution of each lawyer to the case and is the customary practice of multiple-lawyer litigation. But the fee applicant has the burden of showing that, and where there is an objection raising the point, it is not a make-believe burden”)

Burden of Party Opposing Fee Award

Am. C.L. Union of Georgia v. Barnes, 168 F.3d 423, 428 (11th Cir. 1999) (party opposing fee petition has burden also, and is obligated to provide specific and reasonably precise objections and proof in seeking to reduce fee aware due to a lack of billing judgment)

Am. C.L. Union of Georgia v. Barnes, 168 F.3d 423, 429 (11th Cir. 1999) (The Supreme Court rejected that position, reasoning that fee shifting statutes “favor[ ] treating a case as an inclusive whole, rather than as atomized line-items.” Jean, 496 U.S. at 161–62, 110 S.Ct. at 2320. Nothing about the holding in Jean precludes a fee opponent from challenging a fee request on the basis that an excessive number of hours were billed on some discrete task within the case. Moreover, our decisions contemplate a task-by-task examination of the hours billed. See, e.g., Loranger, 10 F.3d at 782–83 (noting that 100 hours for the task of preparing a fee request in the case was excessive); Duckworth v. Whisenant, 97 F.3d 1393, 1398 (11th Cir.1996) (disallowing redundant hours billed for the task of deposing witnesses).

Fees Not Reduced

Aquilino v. Univ. of Kansas, 109 F. Supp. 2d 1319, 1326 (D. Kan. 2000) (“With respect to the depositions of plaintiff and Dr. Linda Stone-Ferrier and the period of jury deliberations, the Court finds that plaintiff's decision to employ two attorneys was reasonable. Both attorneys were extensively involved in the case and their appearance at key depositions was reasonable”)

Clements v. Prudential Protective Servs., LLC, 100 F. Supp. 3d 604, 617 (E.D. Mich. 2015) (finding “nothing ‘duplicative’ with regard to having two lawyers represent [the p]laintiff” where the defendant objected to “two attorneys attending depositions”), aff'd, 659 F. App'x 820 (6th Cir. 2016))

Jones v. Federated Dep't Stores, Inc., 527 F. Supp. 912, 920 (S.D. Ohio 1981) (defendant’s protests in opposition to fee petition undermined by fact that they also had two attorneys present at depositions)

Wajcman v. Inv. Corp. of Palm Beach, No. 07-80912-CIV, 2009 WL 10668140, at *4 (S.D. Fla. Sept. 11, 2009) (“The law is clear in that where multiple attorneys perform work on a case, they may each be compensated, so long as the attorneys' efforts are not unreasonably duplicative. See Barnes, 168 F.3d at 432 (“[a]n award for time spent by two or more attorneys is proper as long as it reflects the distinct contribution of each lawyer to the case and the customary practice of multiple-lawyer litigation”)(quoting Johnson v. University College of Univ. of Ala. in Birmingham, 706 F.2d 1205, 1208 (11th Cir. 1983)); Norman, 836 F.2d at 1301-1302 (observing that multiple attorneys may be compensated for their work on a case “if they are not unreasonably doing the same work and are being compensated for the distinct contribution of each lawyer”)(citing Johnson, supra)

Fees Reduced or Denied

Duckworth v. Whisenant, 97 F.3d 1393, 1398 (11th Cir. 1996) (some fees disallowed for redundancy of work in deposition attended by two attorneys for same party; “Plaintiff has asserted that only one attorney prepared and conducted depositions of parties and witnesses, while both attorneys attended all of the depositions. Because a comparison of the two sets of time entries largely attests to this explanation, the court has subtracted half of each attorney's hours spent for mere attendance of depositions”)

Van Cleve v. Soc'y of St. Vincent De Paul, No. C03-1019, 2005 WL 1868876, at *4 (N.D. Iowa Apr. 4, 2005) (declining without explanation to award fees for two lawyers to attend depositions; saying that one lawyer prepared for the depositions, and then a second lawyer attended the depositions as well)

Baker v. Nat'l Seating Co., No. 3:05-CV-187, 2006 WL 8442688, at *2 (E.D. Tenn. Mar. 28, 2006) (reducing hours of plaintiffs’ lawyers where two very experienced attorneys attended depositions; rejecting arguments that two attorneys were needed to take an active part in formulating questions and making judgments about credibility of the deponents)

Gradisher v. Check Enf't Unit, Inc., No. 1:00-CV-401, 2003 WL 187416, at *4 (W.D. Mich. Jan. 22, 2003) (while case was class action, issues were not complex and litigation was not burdensome, so there was no need for two lawyers at depositions; held, fees for work of second lawyer reduced)

DaSilva v. Vozzcom, Inc., No. 08-80040-CIV, 2009 WL 10667450, at *7 (S.D. Fla. June 9, 2009) (“The law is clear in that where multiple attorneys perform work on a case, a firm may be compensated for work performed by separate attorneys so long as the attorney's efforts are not unreasonably duplicative”)

Schlosser v. Vrhabilis, No. 3:20-CV-190-TRM-JEM, 2024 WL 1600671, at *4 (E.D. Tenn. Feb. 1, 2024), report and recommendation adopted sub nom. Schlosser v. VRHabilis, LLC, No. 3:20-CV-190, 2024 WL 1071871 (E.D. Tenn. Mar. 12, 2024) (magistrate order recommending denial of fees for second attorney’s appearance at deposition, holding that plaintiff did not sufficiently explain why two attorneys was reasonable; mere fact both were “heavily involved” in case, and both needed to observe each witness, did not explain why attorneys could not review transcripts of deponents, or why attorneys needed to “observe each witness”)

Strong Trading Inc. v. Unique Designs, Inc., No. 221CV04206RGKPVC, 2022 WL 22715189, at *5 (C.D. Cal. Oct. 4, 2022) (denying taxability of hours for third lawyer’s work at a deposition where, although the attorney “needed to be there because she was responsible for handling documents and evidence in the trial was less than two weeks away,” the time entry for that attorney simply said “attendance,” and thus the timesheet did not indicate the lawyer was playing a critical role)

Jim Garrity's observation is that many litigators are still not using Zoom’s live-caption feature in depositions. This setting is perfect for clients and other participants who want to watch remote depositions, but can’t play audio without disrupting others. It’s also excellent for you or others on your team to ensure you asked the question you planned and got the answer you think you heard. Some great tips in this episode, as always. (And can we ask you a favor? Would you take an extra 18 seconds, go to the rating section wherever you get your podcast, and leave us a five star rating? We don't charge a dime for the tremendous research and production that goes into every single episode, so the only way you can give us a thumbs up is with a sweet 5-star rating. We know leaving ratings is a hassle, but it really means so much to our production team. Every new five-star rating we get energizes the whole crew.  It's actually more important than money because it validates our work, and let's us know that you like and are finding value in the episodes. Thanks!)

The court ruling in the spotlight today is a reminder that it's critically important to include evidentiary support when you seek a protective order - to relieve a party or witness of the obligation to travel for deposition - based on financial, medical or caregiver reasons. It also reminds us of the importance of providing your judge with the most recent case law, which is trending toward routinely allowing remote depositions in most situations. As always, Jim Garrity provides critical practice tips and insights on the issue. Have a great week!

Show Notes

Hosie v. Omni Hotels Management Corporation, Case No: 1:22-cv-00265-MR-WCM, 2024 WL 1685557 (W. D. N. C. Apr. 18, 2024) (finding insufficient record evidentiary support to warrant protective order relieving Plaintiff of obligation to travel for her deposition)

Henry v. Tacoma Police Department, et al., No. 3:22-cv-05523-LK, 2023 WL 5530201 (W.D. Wash. Aug. 28, 2023) (expressing view that remote depositions can be as effective or more effective than in person depositions for credibility determinations, in part because remote plaintiffs appearing by video do not need to wear masks)

In this episode we answer a listener who wanted to know how to correct a deposition transcript where the errors were caused by the interpreter, not by the court reporter. It's an important episode, because correcting interpreted deposition testimony requires planning before the deposition begins. As always, Jim Garrity provides invaluable practice tips and strategies. Thanks for listening!

SHOW NOTES

Fed.R.Civ.P. 30(e)(1) (providing framework for requesting review of, reviewing, and making changes in form or substance to transcripts).

https://www.njcourts.gov/sites/default/files/courts/transcript.pdf (New Jersey Courts guidance for reporters, noting that only interpreter’s English response, not the foreign language answer, will appear in transcript)

https://www.courtreportersboard.ca.gov/formspubs/best_interpreter.pdf (When the court reporter knows the foreign language being spoken and knows that the interpretation is incorrect, the court reporter is not to interrupt to correct the interpretation. It is the onus of the parties present to provide a check interpreter. The court reporter’s function is to capture the record, not create it)

Bai v. Williams, No. 2:20-CV-2042-KJD-NJK, 2023 WL 5101881, at *34 (D. Nev. Aug. 8, 2023) (jury instructed, in case where witness testified through an interpreter “that it would hear testimony in a language other than English and that the witness “will testify through the official court interpreter.” The court instructed that, “[a]lthough some of you may know the non-English language used, it is important that all jurors consider the same evidence. Therefore, you must accept the English translation of the witness's testimony. You must disregard any different meaning”)

In re: Takata Airbag Prod. Liab. Litig., No. 15-2599, 2016 WL 5844311, at *4 (S.D. Fla. Sept. 8, 2016), report and recommendation adopted sub nom. In re Takata Airbag Prod. Liab. Litig., No. 15-02599-MD, 2016 WL 5844338 (S.D. Fla. Sept. 21, 2016) (noting parties’ agreement agreed that objections to translations may be made for 60 days after the court reporter provides the final transcript)

Proposed Order Regarding Deposition Protocol, CM/ECF Document 1187-1, ECF p. 13, In re: Takata Airbag Prod. Liab. Litig., No. 1:15-2599, 2016 WL 5844311 (S.D. Fla. Sept. 8, 2016), report and recommendation adopted sub nom. In re Takata Airbag Prod. Liab. Litig., No. 15-02599-MD, 2016 WL 5844338 (S.D. Fla. Sept. 21, 2016) (sample deposition protocol that includes provisions on choosing interpreters and resolving disagreements, and proposing 60 days for objections to interpretation-related errors in transcript)

Allamon v. Acuity Specialty Prod., Inc., 877 F. Supp. 2d 498, 505 (E.D. Tex. 2012), aff'd, 534 F. App'x 248 (5th Cir. 2013) (finding no authority to support the argument that a court reporter may extend deadline for returning an errata, or that FRCP 30(e) contains any exceptions to its requirements)

Charges for deposition interpreters can easily double the cost of the deposition itself. So, who pays, and what's the underlying principle? What if the deponent speaks English but still demands an interpreter? Finally, can courts shift the cost (from one party to another) in some circumstances? All your questions will be answered, in just 19 minutes flat. Today's show notes, like those with every episode, contains a wealth of case citations on point. Check them out, and thanks for listening!

SHOW NOTES:

PayCargo, LLC v. Galbreath, 2021 WL 8895467 (S. D. Fla. Apr. 27, 2021) (party seeking discovery must pay cost of interpreter; denying motion to force deposition without interpreter, where some evidence suggested witness might need interpreter to understand certain highly technical questions)

Matter of Majestic Blue Fisheries, LLC, No. CV 11-00032, 2013 WL 12233715, at *2 (D. Guam June 21, 2013) (party who used interpreter hired by another party in back-to-back deposition must pay their pro rata share of interpreter’s bill, finding that party who needs discovery must pay costs associated with it, and because subsequent party used interpreter, they must pay their share since they also used services to take their depositions”)

Signify Holding B.V. v. TP-Link Rsch. Am. Corp., No. 21CV9472JGKKHP, 2022 WL 3656315, at *3 (S.D.N.Y. Aug. 25, 2022) (court orders defendant to pay for initial cost of interpreter where it designated a native Mandarin speaker; filings showed the witness dealt with plaintiff’s employees in English for years, done extensive business in English, and attested in English to court documents, such that it appeared the use of interpreter was more a convenience than a necessity)

Refco v. Afincomex & Banco Ganadero, No. 93 CIV. 2251 (PNL), 1993 WL 498074, at *1 (S.D.N.Y. Nov. 30, 1993) (defendant allowed to use interpreter during deposition of its principal, but must pay for interpreter based on undisputed evidence that the witness had advanced degrees from Harvard and Cambridge, passed securities licensing exams in English, was fluent in English and did business in English; court added that request for interpreter appeared to be in bad faith)

Stocks v. City of Aurora, No. 13-CV-01141-RBJ-CBS, 2016 WL 9735866, at *3 (D. Colo. May 17, 2016) (where prospective deponent seeks interpreter over objection of noticing party, deponent can seek protective order and, when a deponent requests an interpreter in advance of their deposition, the noticing party can avoid disputes simply by hiring the requested interpreter and later seeking reimbursement)

Passow v. M/V AFRICA GRAECA, No. CIV.A. 09-2550-KDE-S, 2009 WL 4723336, at *2 (E.D. La. Dec. 3, 2009) (order providing, without explanation or reasoning, that if interpreters were required of defense witnesses – all of whom spoke Greek or Tagalog - defendants must bear the costs)

Thompson v. Red Olive Co., No. 14-10620, 2015 WL 687351, at *1 (E.D. Mich. Feb. 18, 2015) (court resolved demand by defendant that noticing plaintiff hire an interpreter by allowing each party to hire, at their own expense, an interpreter if they wished to do so)

Simmons v. Garland, No. 21-CV-1728-SJB, 2024 WL 1468239 at *3 (E. D. N. Y. Mar. 20, 2024) (order denying motion to exclude expert testimony on grounds contemporaneous translation was inaccurate; movant failed to preserve right to review transcript before deposition ended)

Torres v. Rock & River Food, Inc., 2017 WL 4969914 (S.D.Fla.) (“The courts have held that when a deponent can communicate in English the deponent is not entitled to use an interpreter”)

Act II Jewelry, LLC v. Zhu, No. 2:09CV407, 2010 WL 11450509, at *2 (E.D. Va. Feb. 19, 2010) (approving use of interpreter who was clearly qualified to interpret Mandarin speaker’s testimony, even though not technically “certified” as one)

Walls v. Department of Children and Families, Case No. 98-1793-CIV-T-17(E) (unpublished order holding that deposition is not a judicial proceeding, and thus court has no obligation to pay for deposition interpreter; defendant must bear initial cost and may seek to tax expense if it prevails)

Goyette v. DCA Advert. Inc., No. 91 CIV 3518 (KC), 1991 WL 639599, at *1 (S.D.N.Y. Sept. 16, 1991) (use of interpreter disallowed for entirety of deposition, where native Japanese speakers were shown to be fluent in English in both personal and business settings, but would be allowed for help in understanding specific questions that might pose difficulty)

Malpico v. Newman Mach. Co., 107 F. Supp. 2d 712, 714 (W.D. Va. 2000) (plaintiff would not be allowed his own choice of interpreter during deposition conducted before magistrate judge, even though official interpreter did not speak plaintiff’s special dialect of Spanish; held, chosen interpreter could still sufficiently communicate with plaintiff, and court would allow plaintiff to have his own interpreter outside the deposition room to communicate with his lawyer)

Naqvi v. Oudensha America, Inc., Case No. 88-C-6966, 1991 WL 4435 (N. D. Ill 1991) (affirming magistrate’s ruling denying use of interpreter where native Japanese speaker managed office and employees in English, studied English in college)

Lopez–Gomez v. Jim's Place, LLC, 60 F. Supp. 3d. 853, 855 (W.D. Tenn. 2014) (where defendants sought to take the plaintiff's deposition and plaintiff's counsel persuasively demonstrated that his client required the services of an interpreter, defendants were required to bear the cost of that interpreter but could recover those costs pursuant to § 1920 if they later became the prevailing party)

Carbajal v. OMNI Hotels Mgmt. Corp., No. EDCV202485JWHKKX, 2021 WL 6618602, at *3 (C.D. Cal. Nov. 1, 2021) (order allowing additional time for deposition where interpreter was needed)

Mahe v. Cont'l Tire The Americas, LLC, No. EDCV 10-1744-DSF (OPx), 2012 WL 13014611, at *3 (C.D. Cal. Mar. 28, 2012) (finding good cause for an additional three hours of deposition due to consecutive interpretation and importance of the witness to the claims at issue despite alleged duplicative questioning)

Court Interpreters Act, 28 U.S.C.A. § 1827 (West) (outlining circumstances where court can appoint an interpreter; not applicable generally to civil litigation between private parties, but useful for background to see how interpretation issues are addressed)

28 U.S.C.A. § 1920(6) (West) (allowing for taxation of interpreter costs)

Fed. R. Civ. P. 54(d)(1) (allowing recovery of costs, including interpreters)

Fed. R. Civ. P. 26(c)(1) (authorizing court to allocate expenses associated with discovery)

https://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/guide_vol05.pdf (U. S. Courts guide on the use of interpreters)

In today's episode Jim Garrity answers a question that vexes many litigators relating to corporate representative depositions under Fed. R. Civ. P. 30(b)(6) when the lawyers sharply disagree on the propriety of the topics. Is is better to seek court relief before - or after - the 30(b)(6) deposition? And, assuming it's proper to seek a protective order either before or after, is one better than the other, and why?

Thanks for listening! Be sure to check out the show notes, which contain the research on which this episode is based, as well as citations to model motions for protective order and model responses in opposition.

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SHOW NOTES

Agreed to Rule Before Depo

In re Deepwater Horizon BELO Cases, 3:21-cv-3287, 2023 WL 9229118 (N. D. Fla. Sept. 5, 2023) (court, acknowledging split in authority on whether protective order should be sought before or after 30(b)(6) deposition, agreed to rule on motion for protective order, in dispute over topics, before deposition, citing multitude of discovery disputes between parties already and length of time cases have been pending)

Florida v. United States, 342 F.R.D. 153 (N. D. Fla. 2022) (court agreed to rule on motion for protective order before 30(b)(6) deposition, saying that based on “the briefing and telephone hearing,” court had sufficient basis to rule on the motion; also collecting cases on split in thinking about when protective order should be sought)

Fed. Deposition Ins. Corp. v. Brudnicki, No. 5:12-cv-00396, 2013 WL 5814494, at *2 (N. D. Fla. Oct. 29, 2013) (court agreed to rule on dueling motion for protective order/motion to compel before 30(b)(6) deposition, but stating that disputes should be resolved and narrowed by the lawyers, and then presented to the court following the deposition if needed)

Miles v. United States, No. 3:14cv360, 2015 WL 11109793, at *2-3 (N.D. Fla. Oct. 19, 2015) (ruling on, but refusing to issue, advance protective order that would limit topics to be covered during Rule 30(b)(6) deposition)

Santos v. Bank of Am., N.A., No. 8:17-CV-2588, 2018 WL 3391330, at *1 (M.D. Fla. May 2, 2018) (issuing protective order to prevent inquiry into certain topics during Rule 30(b)(6) deposition)

EEOC v. Austal USA, LLC, No. CV 1:18-00416, 2019 WL 11201138, at *1 (S.D. Ala. July 1, 2019) (ruling on, but denying, protective order that would have limited topics for a Rule 30(b)(6) deposition)

Declined to Rule Before Deposition

Boukardougha v. Bank of Am., N.A., No. 6:22-CV-2002-WWB-RMN, 2023 WL 6280439, at *2 (M.D. Fla. Sept. 26, 2023) (Court declines to rule on topics prior to deposition, citing “the limited briefing before the Court” and “Defendant's belated filing,” and, further, finding that the court “cannot say that the topics in the deposition notice are wholly irrelevant to Plaintiff's claims or to claims that Plaintiff may bring against Defendant. Evidence is relevant if it has “any tendency” to make a fact of consequence “more or less probable”)

New World Network Ltd. v. M/V Norwegian Sea, No. 05-22916-CIV, 2007 WL 1068124, at*4 (S. D. Fla. Apr. 6, 2007)(denying in part motion seeking protective order before deposition, holding that 30(b)(6) depositions come with no special privilege for advanced court rulings on questions to be asked in a deposition, and that a protective order or motion to compel should be sought after the deposition takes place)

Other

King v. Pratt & Whitney, a Div. of United Techs. Corp., 161 F.R.D. 475, 476 (S.D. Fla. 1995), aff'd sub nom. King v. Pratt & Whitney, 213 F.3d 646 (11th Cir. 2000), and aff'd sub nom. King v. Pratt & Whitney, 213 F.3d 647 (11th Cir. 2000) (questions beyond the designated topics in a 30(b)(6) deposition may be posed to the designee, in which case the designee is no longer speaking for the entity but in a personal capacity)

Sample Motions for Protective Order

Defendant’s Emergency Motion for Protective Order [Doc. 642, filed Aug. 22, 2023], In re Deepwater Horizon BELO Cases, Case No. 3:19-cv-00963-MCR-HTC (N. D. Fla. Apr. 23, 2019) (excellent example of sample motion for protective order on 30(b)(6) notice)

Defendant’s Motion for Protective Order, [Doc. 57, filed July 1, 2022], State of Florida v. United States of America, Case No. 3:21-cv-01066-TKW-ZCB (N. D. Fla. Sept. 29, 2021) (same)

Sample Oppositions to Motions for Protective Order

Plaintiff’s Response in Opposition to Defendant’s Emergency Motion for Protective Order [Doc. 644, filed Aug. 30, 2023], In re Deepwater Horizon BELO Cases, Case No. 3:19-cv-00963-MCR-HTC (N. D. Fla. Apr. 23, 2019) (excellent example of sample opposition to preemptive motion for protective order on 30(b)(6) notice)

Plaintiff’s Response in Opposition to Motion for Protective Order [Doc. 59, filed July 7, 2022] State of Florida v. United States of America, Case No. 3:21-cv-01066-TKW-ZCB (N. D. Fla. Sept. 29, 2021) (same)

Fed. R. Civ. P. 26 (addressing motions for protective orders)

In this episode, Garrity points out an important but usually overlooked followup question to ask right after you ask deponents if they took medication that might affect their testimony. Care to guess? (Don't look at the case in the show notes. That's cheating!)

SHOW NOTES

Stanford v. C.R. Bard, Inc, et al., Case No. 121-cv-00576-DDD-SBP, 2023 WL 9024610 (D. Colo. Nov. 9, 2023) (summary judgment granted, and plaintiff’s affidavit stricken, where plaintiff sought to avoid unequivocal deposition testimony by claiming she had stopped taking medication the night before, and that doing so caused her to become distracted and thus misunderstand critical questions; defense counsel asked plaintiff “Have you taken any medication within the last 24 hours that might interfere with your testimony today, like making you sleepy or anything like that?”, but did not ask if she had refrained from doing so, or whether there were other conditions affecting her ability to testify)

*The following cases were added after this episode aired:

Mims v. Sanofi US Servs, Inc. No. 3:23CV24723-MCR-HTC, 2024 WL 1723515, at *4 (N.D. Fla. Feb. 23, 2024) ("Questions about what medications Mims has taken or is taking as well as questions about her health, however, are not protected by Florida's physician-patient privilege because Sanofi is not asking about any information Mims disclosed to her physicians")