Travis welcomes Karl Payne to the show!

Travis and Karl discuss the three-headed dragon of the world, flesh, and the powers of darkness. How do they work together? Why is it important to know which one we are fighting? How does the devil affect our minds? Karl gives us insight, direction, and above all hope of living a victorious Christian life!

Karl is an author, pastor, frequent guest on Moody radio, and was the former chaplain for the Seattle Seahawks. It's a truly fascinating and enriching conversation and one that you do not want to miss!

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