Creating games that are both fun and educational takes a lot of work, but Digitalmill's Ben Sawyer has been doing it successfully for more than two decades. In this episode we speak with Ben about the art of creating serious games and his work on the American Revolution-based game "Revolutionary Choices."

Just to clarify: Yes, there are two Ben Sawyers on this episode. People have confused them before, which is how they met. But we promise you'll be able to tell them apart on this episode.

To find out more about Revolutionary Choices, check out the game's website: www.RevChoicesGame.org.

The Road to Now is part of the Osiris Podcast Network. This episode was edited by Gary Fletcher.