Based on what you've told us on social media, it's time for a break from the outbreak. So in this episode, Bob and Ben talk about the French Revolution, nationalism and colonization (aka the books assigned for Bob's Graduate European History Seminar). They also talk about the art of teaching and Ben's approach to transitioning to teaching his history classes online (which he recently had to do for an unspecified reason).

And, admittedly, they did slip up a couple of times and mention a particular epidemic, but mostly in a positive way. (It's mostly at the end.)

The Road to Now is part of the Osiris Podcast Network. This episode was edited by Gary Fletcher.