Our guest needs little introduction if you’ve spent any time in the world of online entrepreneurship. Pat Flynn is one of the most respected thought leaders in digital business and passive income. He’s the creator of Smart Passive Income, host of multiple top-ranked podcasts, a sought-after speaker, and the author of several bestselling books including Will It Fly? and Superfans.

Now, Pat is back with a timely and much-needed new book: Lean Learning: How to Achieve More by Learning Less. In an age when we’re drowning in information and pulled in a dozen directions by the algorithm, Lean Learning is a practical framework for mastering new skills efficiently—without burning out or going broke in the process.

In our conversation, Pat and I talk about:

• The danger of “overlearning” and why too much information can backfire
• The difference between "just-in-case" learning and "just-in-time" learning
• His 1-1-1 method for launching a business with zero overwhelm
• The “Inspiration Matrix” and how it helps prioritize your ideas
• Leaning into AI as a tool for creativity—not a crutch
• Why he teaches his kids executive function and communication over GPAs
• The 20% Itch Rule—and how it led to multimillion-dollar projects like the SwitchPod